I don't know if Korg monitors comments from users, but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth. As part of my standard rig, I've been using an old 01w/FD for years now (it just wouldn't die), and have played with many a legit orchestra, blending in beautifully with the flute, oboe, clarinet, EH, bassoon, vibes, and jazz guitar.
Now that it's finaly dead (RIP), I expected to find the same quality acoustic instruments on some other Korg board. Boy was I wrong. The orchestrals are the worst in the industry. I understand not spending resources for new sounds if that's not your niche, but why throw out the old ones when the new ones suck so badly?
Gotta go, my new motif is calling.
Anybody from Korg listening?
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Rob Sherratt
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Hi seckert,
As a happy M3 owner (nowt to do with Korg) I'm a bit surprised to hear your conclusions since that was not my experience when I compared Motif with M3.
Did you try M3 OS v2.03 with EXBM256 expansion RAM and all the free EXPCM01.KEP, EXPCM02.KEP, EXPCM03.KEP and EXPCM04.KEP samples from Korg, including hundreds of orchestral samples in the 01 and 02 sample sets?
Many shops don't bother to set this up, so I think you may not have heard the best from the M3 if you just listened to the ROM sounds.
Also I own a Korg Pa2x whose DNC sounds way exceed the quality of sounds on the MOTIF, IMHO. Did you try the Pa2x? Listen to the DNC sounds on the Pa2x here for example:
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/en/produc ... mo.html?en
Regards,
Rob
As a happy M3 owner (nowt to do with Korg) I'm a bit surprised to hear your conclusions since that was not my experience when I compared Motif with M3.
Did you try M3 OS v2.03 with EXBM256 expansion RAM and all the free EXPCM01.KEP, EXPCM02.KEP, EXPCM03.KEP and EXPCM04.KEP samples from Korg, including hundreds of orchestral samples in the 01 and 02 sample sets?
Many shops don't bother to set this up, so I think you may not have heard the best from the M3 if you just listened to the ROM sounds.
Also I own a Korg Pa2x whose DNC sounds way exceed the quality of sounds on the MOTIF, IMHO. Did you try the Pa2x? Listen to the DNC sounds on the Pa2x here for example:
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/en/produc ... mo.html?en
Regards,
Rob
First,
your topic theme has nothing to do with the content of your post.
Second,
you didn't even say which models did you try out.
Third,
after so many years you are accustomed to the sound of the 01/w and now you think that everything else is worse than your old 01/w.
Just in the case that it interests you:
I had a T3 for 5 years and trying a 01/W after it, I thought that the 01/w sounded worse and cheaper than my old T3.
However, thanks for waisting our time and server space with just another useless post.
Good luck with your new Motif.
your topic theme has nothing to do with the content of your post.
Second,
you didn't even say which models did you try out.
Third,
after so many years you are accustomed to the sound of the 01/w and now you think that everything else is worse than your old 01/w.
Just in the case that it interests you:
I had a T3 for 5 years and trying a 01/W after it, I thought that the 01/w sounded worse and cheaper than my old T3.
However, thanks for waisting our time and server space with just another useless post.
Good luck with your new Motif.
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Rob Sherratt
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Hi sani,
Just to remind you, the forum is provided by Sharp from Irish Acts and it's his server space we are using. I do know for a fact that Sharp is quite open to people publishing both positive and negative comments about Korg products, so seckert is well within his rights to say what he said.
In my experience it is better to challenge someone's opinion by a more friendly, considerate and open questioning response.
Regards,
Rob
Just to remind you, the forum is provided by Sharp from Irish Acts and it's his server space we are using. I do know for a fact that Sharp is quite open to people publishing both positive and negative comments about Korg products, so seckert is well within his rights to say what he said.
In my experience it is better to challenge someone's opinion by a more friendly, considerate and open questioning response.
Regards,
Rob
Hi Rob,
just to make it clear:
I have absolutely nothing against negative comments and I don't care about server space in a personal way, it was a rhetorical figure.
For me, registering just to say that the sounds suck (which is wrong), that a company doesn't spend resources for new sounds (again wrong) and then simply telling that he/she chooses a different product from another company is simply waste of server space and time.
It's what I would call trolling. He didn't ask for support nor for a constructive discussion.
So, I'm in no way trying to play any kind of police here, I'm just telling my opinion about those kind of posts.
just to make it clear:
I have absolutely nothing against negative comments and I don't care about server space in a personal way, it was a rhetorical figure.
For me, registering just to say that the sounds suck (which is wrong), that a company doesn't spend resources for new sounds (again wrong) and then simply telling that he/she chooses a different product from another company is simply waste of server space and time.
It's what I would call trolling. He didn't ask for support nor for a constructive discussion.
So, I'm in no way trying to play any kind of police here, I'm just telling my opinion about those kind of posts.
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EvilDragon
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Correct. Signing up just to bash on Korg is lame.
And even worse when the statements are completely false. Korg MASSIVELY improved their acoustic sounds over the years, and I dare to say that M3 and OASYS s**t all over older AI boards (01/W, M1, T3...) with regards to sound quality.
That being said, Kurzweil PC3 still has the best orchestrals of any workstation, IMO.
And even worse when the statements are completely false. Korg MASSIVELY improved their acoustic sounds over the years, and I dare to say that M3 and OASYS s**t all over older AI boards (01/W, M1, T3...) with regards to sound quality.
That being said, Kurzweil PC3 still has the best orchestrals of any workstation, IMO.
I have to point out, the M3 is very 'studio friendly', and a lot of its sounds are designed such that they sound very 'produced' - ready to drop straight into a recording or work well with a band on stage for example.
Because the sound is being produced electronically, this works quite well - it would be impossible to accurately reproduce true acoustic sounds in their raw form, because so many other factors like room and position affect that sound. Instead the M3 and many other keyboards take the approach to make sounds sound just like a real produced recording of those instruments would.
If you are having trouble playing win some live situations, it may be down to the sound reproduction system. And there is something to be said about getting 'used to' a particular sound characteristic and taking preference to it. This is how a lot of music and mixes evolve for example - exaggeration of already prominent characteristics. (for example. If I make a really distorted bassline sound, when reprogramming it on another synth or adding effects after recording I would often be tempted to make it even more distorted).
Because the sound is being produced electronically, this works quite well - it would be impossible to accurately reproduce true acoustic sounds in their raw form, because so many other factors like room and position affect that sound. Instead the M3 and many other keyboards take the approach to make sounds sound just like a real produced recording of those instruments would.
If you are having trouble playing win some live situations, it may be down to the sound reproduction system. And there is something to be said about getting 'used to' a particular sound characteristic and taking preference to it. This is how a lot of music and mixes evolve for example - exaggeration of already prominent characteristics. (for example. If I make a really distorted bassline sound, when reprogramming it on another synth or adding effects after recording I would often be tempted to make it even more distorted).
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Re: Anybody from Korg listening?
Hi seckert,
I guess it's all a question of what you're used to, and I very much understand your attachment to the 01/Wfd, it's a great board, and same as with yourself, it was my workhorse for many many happy years - it's still going in fact. But reluctantly I had to face up to the fact that it was eventually probably going to go belly up on me, so I moved to the M3. I found this hard for the simple reason that the sonic character of the M3 is to my ears quite different from that of the 01/W - something about the lower-res quality of the waveforms on the 01, as others have previously remarked, made the sounds somehow very warm and solid; the M3 by contrast uses much sharper-sounding resolutions, and so that 01 character is definitely not present (wonder what the decimator effect might do about that though. I must try
). But I digress. All instruments have a personality for sure; when you get settled in with one, switching away after years of familiarity can be a wrench. It took me a long time to get used to the character of the M3, not to mention the architecture of it, and now that I'm settled in with it I can honestly say that if I really wanted it to sound like a 01/W, I could probably do it - indeed I have recreated many of the sounds that I had originally cooked up on the 01. A final thought - when assessing the sonic character of a board - in this day and age specifically - never underestimate the importance of the effects section; in the case of the M3, to my ears, it really counts, especially as this machine has effects to spare: between compressors, limiters, enhancers, eq, overdrives and distortions, not to mind all the other delay and reverb stuff, I discovered that, even if there are sometimes gripes over the character of samples, filters, amp sections, waveshaping or what have you, this board really does have the chops to tweak the sonic character of whatever you're working on ...
There's my tuppence worth. Sorry to hear about the demise of your old 01, great synth that, hope you can find some good solutions to get back that sound that you're happy with.
Peace
Snowbrow
I guess it's all a question of what you're used to, and I very much understand your attachment to the 01/Wfd, it's a great board, and same as with yourself, it was my workhorse for many many happy years - it's still going in fact. But reluctantly I had to face up to the fact that it was eventually probably going to go belly up on me, so I moved to the M3. I found this hard for the simple reason that the sonic character of the M3 is to my ears quite different from that of the 01/W - something about the lower-res quality of the waveforms on the 01, as others have previously remarked, made the sounds somehow very warm and solid; the M3 by contrast uses much sharper-sounding resolutions, and so that 01 character is definitely not present (wonder what the decimator effect might do about that though. I must try
). But I digress. All instruments have a personality for sure; when you get settled in with one, switching away after years of familiarity can be a wrench. It took me a long time to get used to the character of the M3, not to mention the architecture of it, and now that I'm settled in with it I can honestly say that if I really wanted it to sound like a 01/W, I could probably do it - indeed I have recreated many of the sounds that I had originally cooked up on the 01. A final thought - when assessing the sonic character of a board - in this day and age specifically - never underestimate the importance of the effects section; in the case of the M3, to my ears, it really counts, especially as this machine has effects to spare: between compressors, limiters, enhancers, eq, overdrives and distortions, not to mind all the other delay and reverb stuff, I discovered that, even if there are sometimes gripes over the character of samples, filters, amp sections, waveshaping or what have you, this board really does have the chops to tweak the sonic character of whatever you're working on ...There's my tuppence worth. Sorry to hear about the demise of your old 01, great synth that, hope you can find some good solutions to get back that sound that you're happy with.
Peace
Snowbrow
I can appreciate you wanting to 'vent' and your opinion is just that, an opinion. Sorry to hear you're not enjoying it as much as the older model you had but I must say, I spent a lot of time listening to and playing with both the Yamaha XS6/8 and the Roland G7 on the same monitors, in the same room and I don't regret my decision to purchase my M3. I found the screen on the Roland appealing (but no touch screen) and the sounds on the Yamaha decent enough, but the Korg won out for me in the end. I actually think the sounds are better on the Korg than either the Yamaha or the Roland too, but everybody hears different I suppose...
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carlgoodhines
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I agree.X-Trade wrote:I have to point out, the M3 is very 'studio friendly', and a lot of its sounds are designed such that they sound very 'produced' - ready to drop straight into a recording or work well with a band on stage for example.
Because the sound is being produced electronically, this works quite well - it would be impossible to accurately reproduce true acoustic sounds in their raw form, because so many other factors like room and position affect that sound. Instead the M3 and many other keyboards take the approach to make sounds sound just like a real produced recording of those instruments would.
If you are having trouble playing win some live situations, it may be down to the sound reproduction system. And there is something to be said about getting 'used to' a particular sound characteristic and taking preference to it. This is how a lot of music and mixes evolve for example - exaggeration of already prominent characteristics. (for example. If I make a really distorted bassline sound, when reprogramming it on another synth or adding effects after recording I would often be tempted to make it even more distorted).
While some of the sounds may sound a bit "digital" to the naked ear, that can be changed with on-board eq or IFX/MFX settings.
On tape or digital, they sound great though!
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project71beats
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I am struggling to adapt to my new M3. I find it flat and very unrealistic. Just my opinion but the Triton series were more "polished" as far as presets right out of the box. I don't have time to create new sounds during my sessions. Its a constant mood killer for me. Throws my ideas off. I tweak the sounds in my DAW if need be. But I am quite dissappointed so far... hope things change, thought this was my dream machine 
Cubase 5
Yamaha 01x
Korg TRITON Extreme
Korg PadKontrol
Mackie HR824
Have owned Triton le, TR, Triton Studio, M3
Yamaha 01x
Korg TRITON Extreme
Korg PadKontrol
Mackie HR824
Have owned Triton le, TR, Triton Studio, M3
I have a love/hate relationship with my M3 and I've complained about the Triton vs. M3 comparison for years. That being said, the M3 is leaps and bounds better than the Triton and I find the M3 presets pretty damn good actually. My main grips is the synthesized type of sounds. I just can't reproduce the patches I created on my Triton.
Can you (OP) give an example of presets you don't find realistic? I'm curious...
Can you (OP) give an example of presets you don't find realistic? I'm curious...
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project71beats
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I am having problems with the synth sounds being far to weak, and I find the guitars, brass and strings to unrealstic in comparison to other synths. The M3 makes up in other areas like, touch screen, xy pad, drum pads, the module, looks etc. I like how the keys feel too. But really I wanted a better sounding board, without all the tweaking.
Cubase 5
Yamaha 01x
Korg TRITON Extreme
Korg PadKontrol
Mackie HR824
Have owned Triton le, TR, Triton Studio, M3
Yamaha 01x
Korg TRITON Extreme
Korg PadKontrol
Mackie HR824
Have owned Triton le, TR, Triton Studio, M3
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project71beats
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I found the opposite to be true.project71beats wrote:I am struggling to adapt to my new M3. I find it flat and very unrealistic. Just my opinion but the Triton series were more "polished" as far as presets right out of the box.
I've owned a Triton for a long time, and when I started playing the M3, I was amazed. I've written lots of tunes over the years and KARMA really brings them to life. The programming structure of the M3 is a bit different from the Triton (in terms of effects and EQ ), but once you find a sound you like, it doesn't take long to bring it alive.
M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion