Converting KSF/KMP to PCG

[wajdi26]

How can I convert KSF/KMP files to PCG so that I can load them into a Trinity V3? The files are originally for Triton I believe. Any help? Thanks.

[synthjoe]

You can't, that's the simple answer.

KSF is sample data, while PCG is program data. It is like asking how one can convert an engine to a car. If you have a Trinity with PBS option however, you can try to load the KMP file directly from a floppy. It might work...

Even though both instruments use them, PCG files between Triton and Trinity are not compatible.

Someone else might know better (Trinitro? - haven't tried...)

[Timo]

KSF and KMP stand for Korg Sample File and Korg Multisample Parameter respectively.

That is that KSF is an external audio sample (be it a Wav/PCM sample or similar), and KMP is a multisample (a keymap referencing samples up and down the keyboard via split-points to make up the full multisampled 'waveform' preset).



As KSF and KMP both refer to new external sample-data, you need a PBS-TRI (playback sampler) expansion board installed in the Trinity to be able to upload and make use of new samples.

However, even if you don't have the PBS-TRI installed, you can still load the PCG files for any of the PBS-TRI sets but you would need to edit the Programs and select a relevant/suitable waveform from the stock Trinity waveforms for each Program instead, as the PCGs would otherwise be trying reference waveforms that don't exist.

[wajdi26]

I do not have the PBS-TRI installed.

[Timo]

I was showing you what KSF and KMP files are, and therefore why it is not possible to convert or load them into a Trinity without PBS-TRI.

KSF files are new samples/waveform-data that are only able to be uploaded to the PBS-TRI part of the Trinity, in order to extend the number of standard sampled waveforms available.

Without a PBS-TRI you are limited to the Trinity's stock waveforms/samples. You cannot upload new audio samples.

But...

even if you don't have the PBS-TRI installed, you can still load the PCG files for any of the PBS-TRI sets but you would need to edit the Programs and select a relevant/suitable waveform from the stock Trinity waveforms for each Program instead, as the PCGs would otherwise be trying reference waveforms that don't exist.

[synthjoe]

Timo, are Triton and Trinity PCG's compatible? I thought the differences between ACCESS and HI made the files completely incompatible. I know Trinitro can do the Trinity to Triton conversion - but is backward compatibility as simple as loading the Triton PCG into Trinity?

Thanks for enlightening!

Ps. I just realised that I have probably misunderstood you - PBS-TRI is Trinity, not Triton. But still, it doesn't hurt to ask the question

[Timo]

Hi

They're not natively compatible. They could perhaps be translated with an external software converter, but I'm not sure than anyone has written (programmed) such a converter.

Don't ACCESS and HI refer to the samples and the mixing engine (signal path), though? Not the actual patch programming side of things (PCGs)? I'm unsure. You could always sample some of the waveforms from the Triton and import them into the Trinity's PBS-TRI and then attempt to match the programming of the Program (patch). But the 8mb limitation of the PBS-TRI would limit how many raw samples you could import.

I think Korg would've sold a ton more keyboards if they actually made any of their synths compatible with each other.

I believe even the RADIAS and the EXB-RADIAS (for the M3) are incompatible with each other, even though they stand to share a near identical spec/feature-set!

[wajdi26]

I understand I can still load PCG which I've done numerous times, but recently I received KSF/KMP files used from triton which is why I asked this question in this forum, to find out if I can load them in a Trinity.

[synthjoe]

wajdi26 - I'm afraid this project won't fly without the PBS-TRI, and they're rather hard to get these days if you don't have it already installed in your Trinity.

Timo - thanks for the answer, resampling is not really my style, I'd rather fiddle with the KSF/KMP or the original Triton ROMs to load them on the Trinity, directly. I planned to get a TEX76, but in 1 year I have not found one to my budget. So I'll have to live without it - money is going elsewhere.

As much as I know HI/ACCESS refers to not only the sampling engine and mixing, but also to processing (ADSR, filters, effects, etc.) hence these parameters are different between the two machines, I guess. Not different like in 'unmatchable', but needing reworking that I know nothing of as to the details.