Korg Kronos?

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:07 pm

Let me throw my guess; it's going to be a higher class workstation, something lower than Oasis but much better than M3. Therefore, M3 Expanded will still make sense, while Kronos will take the crown.

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:36 pm

so let me sum up:

it should be:

a) a better Oasys, or

b) something less than the Oasys but better than the m3, or

c) something totally different.

I feel we made some progress in knowledge here.

11 more days like this...

cello · Post by **cello** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:00 pm

Aye, ozy, it'll be one of those

Just can't see Kronos being the new flagship.

But that's just my view with absolutely no evidence or science to back it up!

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:21 pm

ozy wrote:what is it gonna happen if I posted this teaser?

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Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:36 am

Ozy -

Assuming the post you made from a Japanese producer associated with Korg and Kronos is genuine, I feel the following must be said -

1. I find that producer's attitude very condescending. If he is representative of Korg, then they are also condescending. I feel they need to say something to countermand his attitude, which suggests that they regard Korgforums as composed as geeks only - and using the term geek in a most condescending way.

2. I find that producer's analysis incredibly superficial and as I again qualify, if a genuine colleague with Korg, also suggests that Korg's analysis of the market and of users is equally superficial.

That producer says that Korg read this forum daily - well if so they are NOT reading carefully enough. There has been world-class perspectives given here on a myriad of occasions that Korg have simply ignored. I realise there is the 'business reality' that Dan Phillips has indicated we're not apparently clear on; but I do not accept that we are in a less valid position on many points, where as an example my personal experience in synthesizers - especially as to what constitutes 'quality' - is quite valid because I own many of the most highly regarded synthesizers in history and can offer perspectives that are not easy to come by and which are obvious to me that by and large are vacant in current synthesizer designers - including the most seniour amongst hem. I'm confident that we could uncover many similarly 'weighty' perspectives on this forum, many that are 'bleeding obvious to all reasonable musicians'; yet which Korg have chosen to ignore.

Indeed, if that Japanese producer's post is genuine, then it is already clear what Kronos is - he spelt it out! It's a synthesizer laden with physical controllers, deep in programmability, containing multiple synth engines (perhaps from OASYS, Radias, Legacy and MOSS) but using M3 quality components (compressed samples, cheaper DACs...); and without a sequencer.

While I'm personally looking forward to seeing if it is such a synthesizer; the reasons that that Japanese producer suggests for its release sounds incredibly superficial - simply throwing everything including the kitchen sink into one device (in essentially beta test mode) and condesendingly use the user-base to find the bugs! And - released only as a reaction to the market and NOT born from Korg's vision. If the case then it does not bode well for the status of Korg's innovation capacity, for their ability to listen to us here at Korgforums (by the way Korg, I'm not a geek - I'm a composer and one with as much ambition and (hopefully sufficient vision) as the best of them) or for Korg's future in hardware.

As said, Kronos may be wonderful, but that condescending producer suggests to me an unfortunate equally condescending attitude and even arguably cynical attitude in Korg where perhaps they do not respect, value or rate their user base, most especially here at Korgforums. That Japanese producer talks about us arguing for years here as it that's some irrelevance - like something that us 'little people' do by our (inferior) nature. This is offensive in the extreme. Each and every argument made here is made on its own earnest merits; and Korg should count themselves lucky to be able to plunder such a rich source of experience (I again remind Korg that they asked the OASYS forum to fill out a detailed survey some time ago from which the M3 was born - essentially the OASYS user community at Korgforums designed the M3). With 'geek's' from us here, to the great geeks like Rudees, Tomita, Vangelis, Jarre and so on, Korg would not have gotten anywhere as far as they have.

Again - if the post is valid - it speaks volumes about Korg and their associations and suggests that Korg are heading into a grim future where repackaging existing technologies as a reactionary measure only, is the order of the day. He, and Korg, may read this forum daily, but they are NOT reading carefully enough - Korg would pay handsomely for the quality of advice and pointers regularly posted here and it is clear that they currently missing the point.

All that notwithstanding, Kronos may be a wonderful device because it will come from a richer past legacy, but Korg need to think more carefully and intelligently about their future. As said - all of this post is premised on the basis that that Japanese producer did indeed work closely with Korg on Kronos and has posted a real and current perspective on the motivations behind Kronos.

Kevin.

synthdogg · Post by **synthdogg** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:19 am

Uuuhhh....somehow I have this crazy feeling that the Japanese synth producer may not be entirely factual.

...just a hunch

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:22 am

Im thinking the same thing...i took it as part of Ozy's joking character in this particular thread. I was having a good laugh while reading it lol

This producer isnt real? Surely not?

Billy

Post by **Sharp** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:28 am

synthdogg wrote:Uuuhhh....somehow I have this crazy feeling that the Japanese synth producer may not be entirely factual.

...just a hunch

+1
lol... I sense the taking of the pi$$ in a big way to say the least.

Now, please excuse me as I go back to playing my KRONOS.

Regards
Sharp.

hengteets · Post by **hengteets** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:50 am

Sharp wrote:Just thinking here, I sense that Yamaha might have just gotten caught rotten with their trousers down around their ankles.

While they milk the living hell out of the Motif Cow once more, have KORG turned up with an entirely new workstation and new technology?... lol... Cool..!!!

Regards
Sharp.

Dream on Sphincter Boy, the Motif STILL smokes the M# and anything short of the OASYS.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:30 am

hengteets wrote:Dream on Sphincter Boy, the Motif STILL smokes the M# and anything short of the OASYS.

you joined the forum to post THAT?!

LOL

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:04 am

ozy wrote:
kimu wrote:i guess Kronos could be: bla bla bla
in a nutshell: you don't know what it is, right?

You have no idea.

Your posting has no technical content whatsoever.

It's just blabber, right?

So, please, please: post your ideas and hypotheses,

but stop patronizing about other people's jocular tone.

This whole thread has NO meaning. It has no connection to reality. It's about wild guesses and desires which have been discussed 10000 times.

Some people realize it, and just joke about it.

You believe your "what ifs" have some importance. They haven't.

Live and let live, will you?

the day after january 13st, jokes will have less value than serious comments.

Today, they have exactly the same value: zero. Fun for whoever posts them

Ozy, are u speak to me?

i have one post in this 3d (two with this one); not ironic, not offensive, just guessing as all the others do...

or did you get hurt in some way for my reply to your non-sense post about new namm teaser?

anyway let's wait and we'll see what kronos is...

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:01 am

Ok, i will be deadly serious for once. In tone and in content of what I say

re: the "fictional Japanese producer".

Of course it's fictional.

Thank God it's fictional, because if he was real I'd feel forced to buy EVERYTHING he produces.

A man, or a company, who talked like that, would at least be clear-minded, consistent and reliable!

I'd better buy a less good product from somebody I can trust, than a Marvel from somebody who spends 90% of his R&D money trying to "entice me", "amaze me", "make my dream", in short: fool me.

A clear-minded and outspoken producer would make PLANNING possibile for his clients.

The unspoken, implicit, undertext of this thread is that Korg is ANYWAY pulling a joke on those who invested in his instruments.

A gag! a surprise! oh what fun!

It has pulled a joke by stopping the Oasys, another joke stopping the M3's upgrade, and now is playing tricks again.

Any producer of industrial machine tools who did that, who communicated in that style, would go out of business.

This is the behaviour of a fashion griffe, not of the producer of serious INSTRUMENTS.

Not even CAR producers bar clients from planning in advance their cars' replacement.

The musician is the master, he decides, and must be helped to decide, his plans and investment requirements, not the marketing department

The whole "teaser" idea is sick.

Information is for hardware tools, teasing is for drunken sex parties or childish schoolyard brawls.

Now, whoever wants to go on playing in the hands of a marketing yuppie, please go on with this thread.

Of course I will go on having the most childish fun out of it.

Because this is what I was asked to do by Korgh: play a childish game, not an adult business choice.

@kimu:

I just wanted to make you feel how nice is to receive personal derogatory remarks. Will you refrain in the future? Please?

PS @kimu:

crash course in rhetorics: NEVER ever say "we" when you could say "I". Saying "we" (who? you and your dog?) doubles the obnoxiousness of any petty retort.

cminor · Post by **cminor** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:11 am

I hope Korg won't make the Kronos Commercials as Yamaha with Tyros 4:
Some old folks "amazed" by some 1 finger chords player

Now serious.

Looking back at the M3/Oasys "support" , how can a possible owner of the Kronos "trust" that the support will not be the same as it "was" on M3 ?
Who is going to invest xxxx $/Euro in Kronos whitout the promise of a new age of workstations with a good support ?
I hope from all my heart that korg will release something new for M3 too.
Otherwise, the trust in "future" releases will be zero...

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:14 am

ozy wrote: @kimu:

I just wanted to make you feel how nice is to receive personal derogatory remarks. Will you refrain in the future? Please?

PS @kimu:

crash course in rhetorics: NEVER ever say "we" when you could say "I". Saying "we" (who? you and your dog?) doubles the obnoxiousness of any petty retort.

ozy, i will appreciate any personal remarks from anyone on this forum in case someone feels to tell me that my behavior or post or anything else i do in the forum is in same way "hurting".

then, if you like, i apologize for the way you felt (not know exactly how) due to my personal derogatory remarks in the other 3d, of course there was no intention to hurt you. regards

cello · Post by **cello** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:15 am

@ cminor - this is exactly why I don't think Kronos is any kind of flagship. Between the OASYS and the M3 and how Korg have not honoured their commitments (strange for a Japanese company, I know), it strikes me that trust will be a very large issue (as you can see from ozy's posts!).