Korg Kronos?

Naviára · Post by **Naviára** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:24 pm

cello wrote:
Davidb wrote:Sorry guys, but again, according to the screenshots we´ve seen, the SEQUENCER mode in Kronos seems identical to the OASYS´s.
More resolution though, but no piano roll editing, no track view, no bar meters, etc.
Also no drag and drop fuctionality for what it seems...
So no improvements in that area....

I can belive, after all its been said all these years, they make the same mistake again.

Amazing...
Not so much same mistake - but it's seems obvious to me that Korg has simply lifted the OASYS 'system', updated it with new links to new synth engines, added a drum track (lifted from the M3) and the only new thing then is the 'Set List'.

More importantly, Korg said when they discontinued the O, that no further work would be done on OS and functions, etc. It again seems that was somewhat economical with the truth... as the roots of the Kronos is clearly the OASYS.

So if they can do it for Kronos, why can't they do it for the O?

I'm sure they can... but they won't !! After all the screenshots I'm pretty sure that the OS would run on the O without problems.

BTW: on the Korg site there are a few songdemos made with the Kronos. I'm not amazed by the soundquality... just my opinion

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:29 pm

sucks it doesn't have 5 arpegiators 'scenes' like on motif

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:33 pm

Vadim wrote:sucks it doesn't have 5 arpegiators 'scenes' like on motif

It has something a lot better then that...4 Modules, 16 Tracks, 8 Scenes
of Arpegiator...

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:33 pm

some point not clear:

X-Y touchscreen really lost?
velocity sensitive pads: lost?
sequencer is w/o the development done in M3?
than they put a 30GB SSD HD but only 1GB for sampling?
PCM ROM is still about "only" 314MB??
PCM expansion goes to RAM as it seems by a note on sampling RAM?

in the spec on korg.com is not written the SSD contains 12 GB of sample and that piano engine uses 4 GB samples as posted somewhere above in this topic (maybe rumors?)

EDIT: karma version on kronos? it is not said to be 2.0 nor 3.0, just sophisticated karma...

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:43 pm

cello wrote:So if they can do it for Kronos, why can't they do it for the O?

It seems to be a valid question.

Maybe OASYS was an experiment. Korg put everything and their heart in it and they saw it's working but the price was too high to sell the needed amount.

So they built a similar instrument made of cheaper/newer parts, skipped some features and now want to sell for a more affordable price. It would be a wise idea that results a major success.

Summer2000 · Post by **Summer2000** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:45 pm

Is this the same old sequencer in the Oasys or has it been revamped?

embry0 wrote:

CfNorENa · Post by **CfNorENa** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:52 pm

Summer2000 wrote:Is this the same old sequencer in the Oasys or has it been revamped?

Now that the price question has been answered, I think this is the biggest outstanding question still remaining. We know the resolution has been upgraded (from 196 to 480 ppq), but that screenshot looks a lot more like the Oasys sequencer than the M3 one.

Can someone give me a good reason why they wouldn't put the M3 sequencer in here? Is it a technological limitation (just too hard to do), or a marketing strategy (preserving the M3 as a viable alternative to the Kronos)? Anyone?

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:56 pm

CfNorENa wrote: Can someone give me a good reason why they wouldn't put the M3 sequencer in here? Is it a technological limitation (just too hard to do), or a marketing strategy (preserving the M3 as a viable alternative to the Kronos)? Anyone?

also seems to be lost X-Y surface and velocity-sensitive pads (maybe on screen?)

30GB of SSD and sample in RAM (1GB shared with PCM expansion)
HD-1 engine uses only 314 MB ROM ?

Pepperpotty · Post by **Pepperpotty** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:56 pm

kimu wrote: EDIT: karma version on kronos? it is not said to be 2.0 nor 3.0, just sophisticated karma...

It says on the Korg UK website that it's second generation Karma. So I would assume that it's version 2.0.

CfNorENa · Post by **CfNorENa** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:58 pm

Pepperpotty wrote:
kimu wrote: EDIT: karma version on kronos? it is not said to be 2.0 nor 3.0, just sophisticated karma...
It says on the Korg UK website that it's second generation Karma. So I would assume that it's version 2.0.

Yep. Just read on Karma Labs that it has "second generation" Karma, and that Korg hasn't (yet) pursued the possibility of 3.0

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:58 pm

I would like to point out that it is likely that all of the things which KRONOS apparently has over the OASYS, are reliant on its hardware. From what I can see of specs, videos, and information so far, the additional engines wouldn't be possible to implement on the O.

I would be surprised if Korg didn't implement the M3 sequencer functions in KRONOS in the near future (straight after launch), or with a 2.0 OS which seems to be Korg's tradition for many higher-end products.

Also, OASYS looks a lot classier and has the velocity sensitive pads, looks more solidly built, etc.
To be perfectly honest, I'd still almost prefer an O. On stage (as seen in some demo vids already), KRONOS just looks like another workstation whereas the OASYS is instantly recognisable. I think KRONOS is almost too understated.

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:02 pm

kimu wrote: EDIT: karma version on kronos? it is not said to be 2.0 nor 3.0, just sophisticated karma...

Karma in Kronos is same as M3 2.9 or something like that but definitely not karma 3 like with Motif . Stephen K just said this in Karma lab forum

cello · Post by **cello** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:02 pm

Summer2000 wrote:Is this the same old sequencer in the Oasys or has it been revamped?

embry0 wrote:

Compare for yourself - not a single thing different... (apologies for poor photo)...

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:04 pm

on karma-lab forum, stephan also post that:

"...and there is a third personal music project I have also been working on that I will unviel in the next few days at some point - and it used KRONOS."

new karmafied program/combi for kronos?

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:04 pm

CfNorENa wrote:a marketing strategy (preserving the M3 as a viable alternative to the Kronos)?