Korg Kronos?

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:06 am

Timo wrote:I also wish to thank Synthguy for his eloquent and logical post, places everything into perspective.

Thank you. Reading back over it, my post sounds kind of harsh, to the soft synth guys too. I tried to be funny but sometimes I get going with a train of thought and I get into terrain I didn't mean to.

Obviously, some Oasys owners do feel jilted by KORG rather dumping the expensive thing when it sounded like more improvement was coming. But they have to make a profit on it, and it was definitely a boutique item when it launched, never to see sales like the Triton Studio did. So its days, sadly, were numbered. Heck, I hated to hear it was discontinued too, because it's an epic instrument and I still want one. I crossed my fingers that it meant something similar but cheaper was coming. It's why I made my crazy guess yesterday which came amazingly close to the mark on what Kronos is.

Big O owners can still be proud of owning the best workstation on the market. Just let us who weren't as well monied as you guys taste this magical elixor in a smaller package, and partake of all that stunning power ourselves. We can all get along, surely.

It is going to be a long, LONG wait for this thing...

RAYDAR · Post by **RAYDAR** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:19 am

[quote="Kevin Nolan"]Now, seriously - what do you think? (and by the way, there's nothing special about 32 bit depth - you need to go 52bits deep to totally eliminate issues such as pan phasing and filtering without harmonic distortion, so I wouldn't get to hot under the collar about that - the Kronos is stunning in capabilities and you are splitting hairs in essentially irrelevant ways). It's deep enough![/quote]

I never owned an Oasys but the O-verb and the 32bit really hit that dept and which was something the M3 could never bring me to that place.

CfNorENa · Post by **CfNorENa** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:31 am

Kevin Nolan wrote:In one release, Korg have literally – and I mean literally – listend to and answered every gripe on the OASYS and M3 forums for the past three years.

With the one, possibly gargantuan exception of the sequencer, which (as you well know) has been the number one gripe for almost a decade. There's no official word yet, but every indication is that the Kronos contains the Oasys sequencer with none of the enhancements found in the M3Xpanded (except for the improved resolution). Look, I'll probably sell half my studio to finance a Kronos, but this archaic sequencer does take some of the luster off...

rbox · Post by **rbox** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:46 am

I cannot understand the hype about the Kronos. It stands for stagnation in some ways:

-the unintuitiv Sequencer is the same like in the Oasys, no pianorolleditor like in the M3

-downcut Karmaversion around 2.** the new Karma 3.0 goes to Yamaha
and Openlabs, what a shame for Korg

-only 8 Velocity switches, Kurzweil Keyboards has 32 switches for samples and more control about the Layers. In the Oasys(kronos) you have very less controll about the Samplelayers. Pitchmodulation on Samples goes only +- one Octave.

-outdated Synthengines, nobody needs an recycled Polysixemulation with a bandlimited mp3 soundcharacter, why not an advanced AL-1 with Sample or Wavetableintegration??

-Synthengines are seperate blocks , no modularity.

-the same Filtermodels with no changeable Saturation, the drive circut are sitting after the Filters it is not possible to set the Drivecircut between or before the Filters like in the Radias or Virus TI. So the same limitation
like in the original Oasys AL-1/HD-1. No different Drivecurves like in Waldorfs Blofeld.

-Outdated Envelopes compare to NI Absynth and Spectrasonics Omnisphere´s Multipoint envelopes with loopable stages.

-no per-voice Stepsequencers for the Legacy/Str-1/HD1 Synths. Mod7 and Al-1 has it, but why not for the other Syntengines??

-no really new Syntheseforms like KYMAs realtime Audiomorph and his Crossfilter.

-no Polyaftertouch with the internal Keyboard to play the Sounds like on the Yamaha CS-80.

I am not a Korg hater , as a Oasys owner and other Korg Synths in the past like Z1 and DW8000 i have the feeling that Innovation has stopped
and the fact that the People from the Industry hold back Technology from
the Public. Where are the Visions from the 90`s like Yamaha VP-1 and the original Oasys Prototype?? Why these permanently recycled , based
on conserative thinking and fast Profit thinking , fastliving Products??
I dont need useless TITTY-TAINMENT Products, where are the GROUNDBREAKING Technologys??

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:48 am

If I ran into the kind of money this thing will be asking for $$$$.$$ I would get one. It really is a beautiful system for those who are just not that into dealing with a computer on stage.

There is just something about bringing your whole life support system on stage that is slightly unnerving to the practical musician.

Kronos seems like a complete music computer system all built in with every thing that even Ablton Live can't get you in terms of quality and sound. Yeah the tracks are limiting (16 midi plus 16 audio) but some of us can work with limitations like that plus I'm sure there will be some kind of expansion down the road...maybe a firmware up grade to let you use a USB stick to have more tracks.

Yeah...I get some serious cash, I'm ready for a serious machine like this one.

Dany · Post by **Dany** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:18 am

I can't believe that my two OASYS will soon have their first baby! And the KRONOS is even better than its parents!

Thank you KORG, thank you, thank you, thank you!!! KRONOS is the much improved OASYSII version for everyone (aside from the still same archaic sequencer), this is real socialism!

This baby will inevitably become the standard hardware Synth / Stage Piano / Workstation for the coming years in studios and on stages all over the world!

KRONOS: "The Game Has Been Changed"......indeed!!!

Congratulations KORG !

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:25 am

Let's wait for some good demos then we'll know.

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:29 am

All I want to know is, if you still have to copy all efxs for each sounds in program mode . It would be cool if you didn't.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:30 am

what i wanna know is if it has aftertouch
polyafter touch at that

geeash · Post by **geeash** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:46 am

Price for pre -order is out

! Korg Kronos 61
PRE ORDER SPECIAL! Click here for SPECIAL! (LIMITED TIME OFFER)

MSRP: $3,750.00

N*M Price: $2,999.00 + shipping

Korg Kronos 73
PRE ORDER SPECIAL! Click here for SPECIAL! (LIMITED TIME OFFER)

MSRP: $4,350.00

N*M Price: $3,499.00 + shipping

Korg Kronos 88
PRE ORDER SPECIAL! Click here for SPECIAL! (LIMITED TIME OFFER)

MSRP: $4,750.00

N*M Price: $3,799.00 + shipping

So Is it really affordable and worth the price i mean the msrp is 500 to 750 $ $ higher if not ordered now.

i thought it will compete with yammies and roland for the price range.

Korg lists both OASYS and M3 Xpanded along with kronos

Is this going to be a new segment in itself ?

I ask again

BTW Is this a replacement for OASYS or the M3 XPANDED?

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:54 am

cello wrote: Your point is fair enough - if it was accurate. With the examples you give none of them said 'end of the road; we're not doing this any more, sorry'. Thing is, I can see, as an O user, that all they've done is thought again post-mortem, and said 'well, okay we could make some money here if we can do the same thing, but cheaper. But let's not support the original buyers. Just keep them thinking the O is dead...'

Korg kept the OASYS development alive as long as it could given the realities of declining OASYS sales over time. Korg couldn't afford to keep spending additional development dollars on a product whose sales had drastically diminished.

Companies like Korg only survive by selling products, which requires all products to have a life cycle.

The Kronos is a new product which leverages/steals most of the OASYS technology, re-packaged with less expensive hardware. This is how companies like Korg survive.

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:58 am

geeash wrote: Korg lists both OASYS and M3 Xpanded along with kronos

Is this going to be a new segment in itself ?

I ask again

BTW Is this a replacement for OASYS or the M3 XPANDED?

Korg stopped manufacturing OASYS keyboards over a year ago.

Given the Kronos pricing, I suspect Korg will stop manufacturing M3's soon (if they haven't already).

I would answer your question by saying "this is the latest workstation from Korg".

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:04 am

geeash wrote:Price for pre -order is out

! Korg Kronos 61
PRE ORDER SPECIAL! Click here for SPECIAL! (LIMITED TIME OFFER)

MSRP: $3,750.00

N*M Price: $2,999.00 + shipping

Korg Kronos 73
PRE ORDER SPECIAL! Click here for SPECIAL! (LIMITED TIME OFFER)

MSRP: $4,350.00

N*M Price: $3,499.00 + shipping

Korg Kronos 88
PRE ORDER SPECIAL! Click here for SPECIAL! (LIMITED TIME OFFER)

MSRP: $4,750.00

N*M Price: $3,799.00 + shipping

So Is it really affordable and worth the price i mean the msrp is 500 to 750 $ $ higher if not ordered now.

I believe those are regular MAP prices listed there... you need to "click here" and contact them to get the further-discounted pre-order special prices.

geeash · Post by **geeash** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:07 am

But what about taxes and vat !!!!

Summer2000 · Post by **Summer2000** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:13 am

Not sure if you guys have seen this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/user/KorgUSAVide ... HV3rnkGt3E

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