N364 to TR

renoruberts · Post by **renoruberts** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:22 am

hi friends,
i having TR... but i'm a fan of N364's sounds..can we get those in TR exactly as in N364 with the help of sampling upgrade?.... if i can... what about the limitation in sampling upgrade..

501 · Post by **501** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:07 am

I assume that you are Nightwish fan and you want the n364 strings on your TR?

renoruberts · Post by **renoruberts** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:59 am

precisely!!

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:36 pm

You can't be a truly devoted Nightwish fan. You got a TR, not a Triton Pro X.

The Triton Pro X can do some things that can't be done on the TR, as it has an EXB-MOSS expansion available, sampling built-in, and 5 insert effects with 2 master fx. The TR is derived from the LE, which is a cut down version of the original Triton, while the Pro X is a full Triton with 88 keys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdZn7k5rZLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTdhXxxWREo

Have you tried the free Nightwish collection for the Triton/TR/X50 here:

http://marketplace.space4keys.com/free- ... hes/folder
TRITON-X50-TR-LE-NIGHTW.Collect file

501 · Post by **501** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:09 pm

xmlguy actually that Triton is barely used in Nightwish songs.
It depends which album you consider.
First 4 albums are recorded with n364.
Century Child - n364 + Triton classic
Once - ONLY KARMA
Dark Passion Play - TR,Triron pro,Oasys

Tuomas used 3 TRs on DPP tour and that proves that TR can do all what you need.
Check out my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhvs8aY9 ... re=feedlik

Now about N364 Strings: It is not possible to pull out that program from n364 to TR, but somehow one guy from Croatia gave me sample of BigStrings from AI2 engine , and they CAN be loaded on TR!!! (you can hear them in my video 2:56)
So contact me through mail and I will be glad to share them with you.

And about those space4keys - I really don't see why you people praise them so much.Their patches suck IMO. I can give you 100 times better , FOR FREE!

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:06 am

I didn't praise the space4keys patches. I asked if he had tried them. If you have better patches, great! Why not post them to the download forums here, if you don't mind?

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:13 am

501 wrote:xmlguy actually that Triton is barely used in Nightwish songs.
It depends which album you consider.
First 4 albums are recorded with n364.
Century Child - n364 + Triton classic
Once - ONLY KARMA
Dark Passion Play - TR,Triron pro,Oasys

Tuomas used 3 TRs on DPP tour and that proves that TR can do all what you need.
Check out my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhvs8aY9 ... re=feedlik

Now about N364 Strings: It is not possible to pull out that program from n364 to TR, but somehow one guy from Croatia gave me sample of BigStrings from AI2 engine , and they CAN be loaded on TR!!! (you can hear them in my video 2:56)
So contact me through mail and I will be glad to share them with you.

And about those space4keys - I really don't see why you people praise them so much.Their patches suck IMO. I can give you 100 times better , FOR FREE!

yeah seriously i got the nightwish thing from space for keys...
ick!
but making those high attack strings with lots of reverb and release is easy! its not hard at all just do it yourself man!
other then that im sure its possible to find the sample somewhere

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:26 am

Hi

Seriously, it's not necessary to play a song with the same instrument of the original band... Toumas use a N364 in the firsts albums becoz he had that keyboard, but now he uses an OASYS on studio, and you cann't have the OASYS samples (uncompressed) on a TR for the new songs

Use the instruments on the TR, tweak them, on some songs you'll need to use the sequencer to do more complex setups.

I used to play Nightwish covers on a band with a CASIO CTK811 a lot of years ago, and sounded better than a lot of bands with Rolands and KORGs (that keyboard have some BASIC synth functions to tweak instruments and rubber pads to rapidly access to setups with a max of 4 instruments and seamlessly transition)

Then I buy the TR, and, believe me, you can do magic with that synth, there are better synths, but in a live situation, you can do wonders with it, if you are stuck on presets progs and combis, you are losing a lot of money.

You dont need the samples of the N364, you can do better with the ones on the TR.

Also, Toumas use a KARMA and 2 or 3 TR on stage, he normally dont play more than 2 or 3 programs/combis, so he don't change progs/combis on a single song to avoid the sound cutting, but you can use some tricks to play all on a single sequencer setup or maybe two

Regards.
Alvaro.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:01 am

Ozz wrote:Seriously, it's not necessary to play a song with the same instrument of the original band...

Perhaps my sarcasm didn't come through? Buying an instrument because a band uses it is hilarious to me. Even more fun is when bands use the MicroKorg for videos as props, leaving flocks(herds?) of fanboi cover bands with confusion, wondering how to get that XYZ sound out of the MK, when behind the scenes the band is using something entirely different. That just never stops being funny.

501 · Post by **501** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:23 am

Offtopic stuff already,topic started wanted the strings only.

renoruberts here you go: http://www.filefront.com/17856887/V_STRS.rar
Instructions:
1: Unpack it,and send all content on your memory card
2: Load samples on your TR 01_WF000.KMP and 01_WF001.KMF
3: Select some default String program (Session Stringst)
3.Program has 2 Oscilators , 1st - sample 001 -2nd sample 002 and in lower oscilators put TR's String -L samples.

Enjoy.

renoruberts · Post by **renoruberts** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:11 pm

@501... Thanks a lot...

501 · Post by **501** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:13 pm

Np. Ask for more

renoruberts · Post by **renoruberts** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:13 am

can you do one help... i can give a pcg of N364... can you make sample of some programs(i will tell you which one) and give it me.. i hope it must a great help for me..
RENO

501 · Post by **501** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:11 pm

I don't know how to do it.
As I wrote above, I got those samples as present.
Anyway I think it is possible to sample what you want, but it won't sound same at all. (You must find someone who have better experience to do it).

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:13 pm

I could tell you how to translate an N364 patch into a Triton TR, but that would be off topic. There's a difference between those of us who know how to program their synths, compared to those who don't: you need us more than we need you. Copiers only need to learn how to copy. That's easy and requires no knowledge of synth programming.

But if you want to learn how to program both the N364 and Triton TR, so that you can translate the patch all by yourself, feel free to create a new thread and ask that question.