I can't do this synth

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:22 pm

Hi I've been spending many hours looking through preset new radias, and I not find this patch for this song. Manual is not help.

It's lead this song and it seem difficult make... I am not best at synth patch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHjNmyzrVvM

I try init program but it not sound very similar. Any help you can donate?

I meant to ask help from you yesterday but I had very little hours of the clock.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:08 pm

tpantano wrote:Manual is not help. I try init program but it not sound very similar. Any help you can donate?

Sounds like you've just loaded the Init program and then given up?

The Init program is actually a very good starting point for this sound. It doesn't need all that much modification.

A little secret, my technique I use extensively to mimic sounds or at least get you in the right ballpark: Load the entire song into a waveform editor (Wavelab, etc.), try to find somewhere in the song where the sound in question is on its own without any other conflicting sounds, zoom into the waveform and physically take a look at it, visually, literally ignore what it sounds like and instead see what it looks like, and then think to yourself what oscillator waveshapes could be amalgamated together in any way to generate what you're seeing. Most often it's very simple.

Then load up the Init program. Before you do anything else, listen to the sound and home in to the correct octave and pitch. This is really important. Play the keys by ear and match the pitch to the sound in the song. There's absolutely no point trying to match a sound if you're playing in a completely different octave to the one in the song, the harmonics/frequencies/filtering will all be misleading and wholly counter-productive.

Next, very importantly, use an oscilloscope-type meter to visually see what is coming out of your Radias as well as listening to it. I use Wavelab's oscilloscope in ASIO mode to visualise incoming audio in realtime whilst also listening to it.

Now get fiddling with all the oscillator knobs. Try to match the waveform that's coming out of your Radias to the waveform you see in the song, all while listening like a hawk.

I can assure you this will help you by the bucketful.

For really advanced stuff, use an FFT meter to see if there are any harmonics you're lacking or have in excess. Again in this case matching the correct pitch is of utmost importance.

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:58 pm

No frind said its sine wave wtith distortion.

as I said I was go ask yesterday for the help but I dont remember/

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:13 pm

I managed to simulate the patch on both Radias and Virus (using different techniques to get the same similar sound as both synths have different feature-sets so you have to think laterally) but I wanted you to learn from me before I told you settings, as I managed both using the waveform-and-oscilloscope technique.

If I can somehow pass that knowledge on - about how to emulate sounds - then that would be worth more than just telling you settings.

If you have the available tools (waveform editor and oscilloscope), have a go. You will learn something from it.

tpantano wrote:No frind said its sine wave wtith distortion.

It is indeed. But with a twist. Look at the waveforms, and then play with waveshaping.

tpantano · Post by **tpantano** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:16 pm

Timo wrote:I managed to simulate the patch on both Radias and Virus (using different techniques to get the same similar sound as both synths have different feature-sets so you have to think laterally) but I wanted you to learn from me before I told you settings, as I managed both using the waveform-and-oscilloscope technique.

If I can somehow pass that knowledge on - about how to emulate sounds - then that would be worth more than just telling you settings.

If you have the available tools (waveform editor and oscilloscope), have a go. You will learn something from it.

tpantano wrote:No frind said its sine wave wtith distortion.
It is indeed. But with a twist.

Timo, it's a late april fools joke ^^ I'm hoping people would catch on, it's literally a sine with maybe slightly different harmonics and delay, lol

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:27 pm

Lol.

You're a day late! Always hard to read various cues on the internet. Thought it was a little out of character for you, although I don't read the Radias section avidly.

Btw, it's a saw-wave with phased/sync'd sinusoidal waveshape distortion.

Virus: Two waveforms with zero detune. Saw-wave on oscillator 1 with sine-wave locked at 150º phase-on on oscillator 2. Oscillators blended accordingly for correct phase-cancellation.
Radias: Saw-wave on oscillator 1 using sine-wave with detuned ring & sync mod on oscillator 2. Again both blended accordingly to achieve correct phase cancellation.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:12 pm

It's on my R3. It's A01-w*nk*r. It's just before A02, Tosser. These are essential patches to do many UK top 40 covers.

purple_mf · Post by **purple_mf** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:31 am

LOL tpantano had everyone fooled!! this is one of the first patches i made. Actually, i am trying to get my head around making the beat in the background for this and have my R3 split. (left hand chords). Is anyone able to guide me in the right direction for making it? im guessing the arpeggiator needs to be used...

purple_mf · Post by **purple_mf** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:47 am

ahh cracked it! Noobs

LOL just need to find get a good bass sound and split them.

purple_mf · Post by **purple_mf** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:33 am

hi guys. iv had a go and attached the file....can anyone advice me on to how to make the lead more dominent? the bass seems to overpower it a little. also any advice in general would be good

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P1A3EVYE