I wish they make M3 control surface/app for the iPad.

Miggz McFly · Post by **Miggz McFly** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:03 am

Since they're both touchscreens right? I think it would make a great app. Im going to put this in suggestions threads and also email them personally about it. Whos with me?

gjvti · Post by **gjvti** » Thu May 12, 2011 5:56 am

I think iPad has got enough programmable apps to control synths via Midi and Midi Touch even supports sysex as they state - so I think you can easily make your own custom M3 control surface. It wouldn't be bidirectional, but for bidirectional communication you got PC/MAC VST/stand alone editor.

PS
For me the biggest iPad headache is that it is hard to me to accept that I need to pay for technically crappy piece of silicates and aluminium (well designed though) the nearly the same amount of cash as I paid for state-of-the-art Fujitsu dualcore tablet-PC with firewire and many other extras, capable of running Omnisphere, RMX and Ableton flawlessly. And its boot time (PC+Ableton+Omisphere/RMX project) is fully in par with M3 boot time. The only problem with windows environment is that it has no applications optimized for touch operation. I can launch ableton clips and control parameters from the touchscreen, but UI of current applications is way too small/detailed to do touch operations reliably.

Miggz McFly · Post by **Miggz McFly** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:03 am

i wouldn't know the first thing about designing my own app so thats a dead end for me.

anyways, the ipad is totally justified in my eyes. The convenience alone of having a computer-esque tablet so portable is worth the price to me. Then on top of that the endless apps that support my software is just a major plus. There is no denying that the ipad has a million uses. Seriously, the apps bring an unprecedented convenience to the consumer. I know no other device that can bring me this satisfaction. They must sell millions upon millions for a reason.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Thu May 12, 2011 10:15 am

Seriously, the M3 already has a touchscreen and hands-on controls. What more do you need? Do you really need an additional touch screen?

Yamaha released an editor for the Motif, but the major difference there is that doesn't have a touchscreen.

As for the iPad vs dualcore tablet PC, I'd rather have the tablet. You can run the M3 editor on it, Korg Legacy, etc.
The iPad is nice but at the end of the day it is still a closed platform that requires too much proprietary programming to make anything. I think tablets are the future of computing, but the platforms and the software distribution model at the moment is a mess.

And just because something is popular doesn't make it great - e.g. Protools licensing model is ridiculous, puts limitations on what you can do compared to Logic/Cubase. iPod is just an expensive and fashionable mp3 player. I've paid a quarter of the price for players with the same amount of storage and they still work, still offer great features, and best of all you can drop your files on there too as a 'memory stick' if you wish, and you're not forced to use iTunes.

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » Thu May 12, 2011 1:23 pm

Miggz McFly:
I totally agree that the iPad is a great machine, and also agree it would be awesome to have a dedicated app for the M3. It is definately true that the M3 OS is great and intuitive, but there are still many advantages of editing on an iPad. First and foremost is that you can really get comfy in your favourite chair, and don't have to "hang" over the M3 when editing. This is a huge plus imo.

I hope most synths and samplers get their own dedicated apps, as that would surely breathe new life into old gear mainly collecting dust.

Also consider the various sequencers for the iPad/iPod, such as Beat Creator or NanoStudio. These things are dead easy to use, still very capable. I'll be doing most of my sequencing this summer on one of those babies.

EJ2 · Post by **EJ2** » Thu May 12, 2011 2:59 pm

Seriously, the M3 already has a touchscreen and hands-on controls. What more do you need? Do you really need an additional touch screen?

My point as well. I own the iPad 2, but wouldn't even consider an app for the M3's control surface. There's no comparison to the actual, physical, tactile response for the sliders, pots, etc. Plus, the M3 already has a touch screen.

However, a KARMA 3.xxx app for the iPad 2, now you're talking.

Miggz McFly · Post by **Miggz McFly** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:32 pm

X-Trade wrote:Seriously, the M3 already has a touchscreen and hands-on controls. What more do you need? Do you really need an additional touch screen?

Yamaha released an editor for the Motif, but the major difference there is that doesn't have a touchscreen.

As for the iPad vs dualcore tablet PC, I'd rather have the tablet. You can run the M3 editor on it, Korg Legacy, etc.
The iPad is nice but at the end of the day it is still a closed platform that requires too much proprietary programming to make anything. I think tablets are the future of computing, but the platforms and the software distribution model at the moment is a mess.

And just because something is popular doesn't make it great - e.g. Protools licensing model is ridiculous, puts limitations on what you can do compared to Logic/Cubase. iPod is just an expensive and fashionable mp3 player. I've paid a quarter of the price for players with the same amount of storage and they still work, still offer great features, and best of all you can drop your files on there too as a 'memory stick' if you wish, and you're not forced to use iTunes.

thanks for your input, but i respectfully disagree with your response. first of all the m3 has a 5.7 inch diag screen, which you have to hover above the m3 (being tethered to it) as opposed to the ipad's 9.7 inch diag screen with touch capacitive response (meaning easier navigation) plus the ribbon could also be simulated along with the x-y in proper fashion. The M3 editor as we all know is limited in functions, and takes up real estate on your computer screen. Second i have a mount for my ipad that brings it right to my face, so it would be really convenient from my mixing chair.

and you are right, just because it is popular doesn't mean its good. But protools would be a horrible comparision to the ipad due to the fact that it doesn't absolutely dominate its competition like the ipad does. No matter how "fad" or "hype" a product is, it cannot thrive off of that alone, it has to be a good product, and the ipad has proven itself by shattering selling records globally. There is no denying it. And im not just an apple fanboy because, I hate iTunes, and some other apple products too. But there are media apps that have circumvented the use of iTunes, and made it easier for the end user. Just the rich community of apps alone is worth the price. And again, thats undeniable.

EJ2 wrote:
Seriously, the M3 already has a touchscreen and hands-on controls. What more do you need? Do you really need an additional touch screen?
My point as well. I own the iPad 2, but wouldn't even consider an app for the M3's control surface. There's no comparison to the actual, physical, tactile response for the sliders, pots, etc. Plus, the M3 already has a touch screen.

That would be a matter of preference as i enjoy the response of sliders, and knobs. I run ableton software, and i have the touchAble app which is downright awesome in its own right. I have absolutely no problem with the touchscreen sliders, knobs, etc etc. It really is a great convenience.

All in all, I respect you guys opinion. but like 'Hugo' stated it definitly has its pros, and would "surely breathe new life into old gear" at a low price to the synth companies.

Miggz McFly · Post by **Miggz McFly** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:55 pm

WELP Yamaha beat Korg to the punch.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/multi-ed ... 38844?mt=8

they released this along with 4 other apps to control the XF series workstations.

Please korg do this for us.

manjeroque · Post by **manjeroque** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:53 pm

Miggz McFly wrote:WELP Yamaha beat Korg to the punch.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/multi-ed ... 38844?mt=8

they released this along with 4 other apps to control the XF series workstations.

Please korg do this for us.

just AMAZING!
well, maybe i don't need an iPad, but this opportunity is a big plus for yamaha's boards! and as i see - at least one of these apps (right following the link) supports new MoX synthesizers!
maybe those apps do not cover all the functions, but really it would be nice for yamaha to release a combined app for all of them at once)

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:17 pm

Would it be possible for someone outside of Korg to make an M3 editor? Someone up for the task?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:54 pm

How about the software editor running on a windows tablet?

Or perhaps the software editor running on your PC, remotely via VNC/LogMeIn or something similar.

The idea was well received in the KRONOS section...

Miggz McFly · Post by **Miggz McFly** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:01 am

hmm the VNC idea is an ok alternative, but no. i think it will still be way too cumbersome, plus the m3 editor is kind of limited

im actually HOPING yamaha's apps skyrocket in sales, so korg will be attracted to the idea of making an app for the M3. please oh please.

gurn · Post by **gurn** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:44 pm

XTrade:

"Seriously, the M3 already has a touchscreen and hands-on controls. What more do you need? Do you really need an additional touch screen?"

Actually, I could use an iPad touch-screen control for the M3m.
The iPad touch screen is a lot more responsive than the screen on my M3m.
And I've heard stories about people having problems with the M3 touch screen.
I always worry about it going out. An iPad control would be just the thing.

I own a Gen1 iPad. I'm really not a fan of Apple. But an M3m control
would change my opinion. I think it's a great idea.

It won't happen. But I'd sure buy one.