how to join multiple sampled effects in one?

AlexM · Post by **AlexM** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:22 pm

i have awave studio, and I would like to have different sound effects on my TR on each key.
I can make them but it will be the same effect on every key.

So I was wondering if any of you guys know how to get different sampled effects on every single key?

help is greatly appreciated!

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:35 pm

Lets be clear here - you want a different sample on a series of keys - right?

"Effects" brings to mind a whole different thing with regard to programing - it's nit-picky, but you have to use the jargon to describe the problem with accuracy.

Anyway....

The easiest way to do it is to load samples (can you?) into your machine, then write a user drum kit that uses multiple samples, including yours, and maps them across the keyboard.

This is how on board "sound effects" kits like rap vocals and industrial kits (and multiple drums/cymbals/perc for regular kits too for that matter) are mapped in.

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AlexM · Post by **AlexM** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:07 pm

my sincere apologies if i can't explain myself.
i just cant or couldn't find the right words to explain my problem.

but i think i figured it out already.
found this video online and i've already made some new samples.

http://www.4shared.com/video/DUmoqUaI/C ... tudio.html

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:10 am

Alex,

Did you get them mapped across the keyboard the way you wanted?

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AlexM · Post by **AlexM** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:00 pm

well, im still working on it.

i can't quite get them on the keys i want.
the awave studio shows on what specific key you want a effect to go
but it does not.
plus i cant load awave with more that 4 effects because it "runs out of memory" and shuts down.

but i did sampled my pss-470 sounds onto the TR.
it obviously not the same but to the untrained ear, it sound pretty accurate.

P.S. when I say "sample, sampled or samples" I mean I copied a sound either from another keyboard onto my TR or a brass/wind instrument. i dont know if thats the correct term but thats how i learned it.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:34 pm

Yeah, thats correct. Sample is a "snapshot" of sound. It's better for you if the sound is "dry" - no effects - because changing the pitch of the sample also changes pitch of effects applied to it. Things like big room reverb get smaller as pitch rises, and may even begin to sound like another instrument if low frequency stuff comes up into the audible range.

"Sound effects" would be a carryover from radio or film work of sounds not made by actors, aka Foley effects after a guy who was the best footsteps guy in Hollywood at the time. Doors closing, footsteps, punches and fight sounds, cars trains planes; environment setting noises.

"Effects" is generic term for sound-changing manipulations applied to a sound to make it fit better in a mix (EQ, compression) change frequency (EQ, flange, phase) thicken (delay/doubling, overdrive) or provide a setting or ambience (reverb, echo) - there are a huge number of effects that can be put on a sound. TR's got a pretty good toolbox of useful/usable ones.

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From your posts you've had at least partial success mapping (assigning a key number or range) your samples into your TR.

Are you doing it under program or as a drum kit?

I think you'll find you can only get 4 sounds in under program because of the synth's architecture.

But you should be able to get a bunch in if you build a user drum kit that uses the raw samples in place of drum sounds [remember to save in an empty or <init> slot and not overwrite an existing/used kit] - you'll still have to save the drum kit to a program in order to hear it, but that's where you'd apply effects to the whole "kit" of sounds.

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AlexM · Post by **AlexM** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:59 pm

i do not play the drums myself plus i do not know how i only know the basics.
i do not even have access to a drum kit.
i am sampling from songs i listen to.

and i am having trouble mapping to a certain key.
i do get it on the keyboard but not on the key i want it to.

as to "drum kit" you mean on awave studio? or somewhere else?

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:44 am

whoa, reboot.

You posted under TR, I thought you were using it to play on-board sounds including samples.

If samples are loaded into keyboard they can be used two ways; as an oscillator in a program - in which case a single sample, or multiple samples of a single instrument might be spread over a fairly large range; or as a sample element in a drum kit where a larger number of individual samples (what I think you want) can be assembled and mapped to individual keys (i.e., BD, Snare, HH, OHH, Tome 1,2,3, etc.).

The drum kit model doesn't have to be drums, could be vocal samples, hits, loops, or anything else. The only limitation is on-board sample memory.

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I'm not an A-wave user. The way you were talking about it I though you were using A-wave as a means of making samples to load into the TR (yes? no?). If you're talking about controlling A-wave and A-wave's internal mapping I'm afraid I can't be of any help.

My point in recommending the drum-kit method is that the sample's note placement (what key it tries to map to) doesn't make much difference in a drum kit. You can take F#(-)1 and say "I want sample 'X' to play when I hit F# - if it's not in tune you can change the note by tuning up or down as needed (I think up to 2 octaves (+/-)).

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