Ideas for new Electribe

[Aciphecs]

My hair was brown when i got the EMX1 im now grey

Now that's because you grew old with it, not from stress right? The 'tribes are some of the easiest machines to get what you want out!

The Tempest and Beathang look great

The Tempest does look great, and from the demos sounds amazing too, but for $2K is a little more of an upgrade than I can afford.

The Beat Thang looks gimicky to me and is only going to be sold at BestBuy- FAIL!

[Griffin Avid]

http://kellysmusicandcomputers.com/prod ... f~5998.htm

Wow. I didn't expect that kind of pricing. That seems to be going directly at the MPC 2500.

[Allegory]

Me, I'd like a software interface to go along with my electribe. I'd like using real names for samples and kits. I'd like USB drag and Drop, multiple MIDI ports etc...

A soft editor. These don't sound like fantasy ideas or a wish-list. This sounds like the basic level all current gear reaches.

Now of course if Spark could be run away from the computer, like NI Maschine users dream about too, then we'd have it all.

The Spark price point ($599 USD)seems to follow NI maschine, but Maschine somehow seems closer to that asking price.

I'm not sure why the Spark is getting play on these boards. A software interface and a soft editor would be cool on occasion but the spark is tied to a computer all the time. It may as well not have hardware. It's functionality can be duplicated and surpassed by many different combinations of existing software and midi interfaces.

The Tempest is a dream come true of a machine but its price makes it more of a long-term plan than a buy tomorrow kind of thing for me.

[Griffin Avid]

It's functionality can be duplicated and surpassed by many different combinations of existing software and midi interfaces

What functionality is surpassed? The allure is DEDICATED hardware for software. NI Maschine is the only other option.

Why should KORG make ever have made an electribe?
When its functionality can be duplicated and surpassed by many different combinations of existing software and midi interfaces.

A standalone drum machine is a need for many, for some it's not.
I'll repeat that. For some it's not.
Some people ONLY use their gear in a studio, that is, being run by a DAW.
So instead of dumping or recording their drum machine creations, they would like drag & drop or some kind of Export function.

Even better if it can run as a VST.
Hello NI Maschine and Arturia Spark.

[Allegory]

It's functionality can be duplicated and surpassed by many different combinations of existing software and midi interfaces

What functionality is surpassed? The allure is DEDICATED hardware for software. NI Maschine is the only other option.

Why should KORG make ever have made an electribe?
When its functionality can be duplicated and surpassed by many different combinations of existing software and midi interfaces.

A standalone drum machine is a need for many, for some it's not.
I'll repeat that. For some it's not.
Some people ONLY use their gear in a studio, that is, being run by a DAW.
So instead of dumping or recording their drum machine creations, they would like drag & drop or some kind of Export function.

Even better if it can run as a VST.
Hello NI Maschine and Arturia Spark.

You should note that I didn't say much bad about the Spark. Where I was going with my post is that it is a different kind of instrument and not really in the same category as an Electribe, hence my opening statement "I'm not sure why the Spark is getting play on these boards"

So, you don't get how already existing software and midi interfaces could surpass the functionality of a Spark? I'm just going to throw one out of a virtually limitless number of options (pick a different combination to meet your own needs):

Reason/Record duo and some sort of midi interface. I'll go cheap and topical with a Korg PadKontrol. It gives you a control surface and rather than just robust drum/synth function of the Spark, you have the entirety of a virtual studio available. If you are ok to schlep around Ebay, this option is cheaper than a Spark also.

I have nothing against the Spark. I even considered buying one at one point. Being tethered to a computer puts it in a different category, though.

[Griffin Avid]

It gives you a control surface and rather than just robust drum/synth function of the Spark, you have the entirety of a virtual studio available.

You sure? I haven't used Reason in a long time so I don't remember if it has full MIDI learn, but at any rate, what would I be mapping my Reason controls to with no knobs?

Spark has 24 knobs that control the software. It has BOTH the 16 steps and the larger drum pads. I like the electribes because of how fast and easy the step sequencer can be. I like switching between step and real time.

Does the pad control have a Transport? Where's the play/record?
Is the pad control limited to a small-digit text field- verse the full 2 lines of text I see in the Spark?

I don't know if it's even fair to compare price wise- or even include USED stuff.
Spark - $599
Reason + Record is $499

100 dollar difference and still no controller.
So what controller has the full features of Spark for $100?


I even like Spark's workflow and the ease of changing kits/sounds.
can't do that in Reason as quickly.

But at any rate, I consider production to be about speed or even easiest is best. There won't be an Objective reason one approach is better than the next. It's about what works better for you.

[Allegory]

You want to pick apart any generic combination I put together. You seem to just want to argue and have TWICE missed the whole point of what I was saying. They are not the same kind of instruments. Thats's it, that's all. Got it?

Do you work for Arturia?

[Weeedbeat]

Can't get images to post here, so I added it to another post in the electribe forum. It's our dream machine

http://electribe-forum.com/viewtopic.ph ... 8464#p8464

Oh yeah THIS is a dreammachine *___________________*

[Griffin Avid]

Oh I got your point.
"Where I was going with my post is that it is a different kind of instrument and not really in the same category as an Electribe, hence my opening statement "I'm not sure why the Spark is getting play on these boards"

Maybe it's you that missed my point. Here it is again.
My ideal electribe?
Hardware plus software would be a KORG electribe married to dedicated software.

That's what NI and Arturia offer that KORG doesn't.
And so to talk endlessly about generic a combination of hardware and software doesn't make sense in the least.

So yeah, I would pick apart any pairing because it's not anything like Maschine and Spark, but if you are satisfied with a plain MIDI controller and your DAW then keep it moving.

Matter of fact, MIDI up your electribe to your DAW and be happy.
Others will wonder what's taking KORG so long to get on board.[/i]

[Allegory]

Oh I got your point.
"Where I was going with my post is that it is a different kind of instrument and not really in the same category as an Electribe, hence my opening statement "I'm not sure why the Spark is getting play on these boards"

Maybe it's you that missed my point. Here it is again.
My ideal electribe?
Hardware plus software would be a KORG electribe married to dedicated software.

That's what NI and Arturia offer that KORG doesn't.
And so to talk endlessly about generic a combination of hardware and software doesn't make sense in the least.

So yeah, I would pick apart any pairing because it's not anything like Maschine and Spark, but if you are satisfied with a plain MIDI controller and your DAW then keep it moving.

Matter of fact, MIDI up your electribe to your DAW and be happy.
Others will wonder what's taking KORG so long to get on board.[/i]

You are looking for an argument in the wrong place. This is three times that you have completely missed what I had to say. I have to presume that you either are incapable of understanding or that you are ignoring my point because you want to argue. Either way, this exchange is stupid and I shouldn't have responded to you the first time.

[Griffin Avid]

Let's look at your points.

1) the spark is tied to a computer all the time. It may as well not have hardware....

2) it is a different kind of instrument and not really in the same category as an Electribe

3) Being tethered to a computer puts it in a different category, though.

You've said the same thing three times.

I already answered this point when I said:

A standalone drum machine is a need for many, for some it's not.
I'll repeat that. For some it's not. Some people ONLY use their gear in a studio, that is, being run by a DAW.

And so I'd like a closer connection between my drum machine and DAW.
And you saying this "I'm not sure why the Spark is getting play on these boards. "

Points to what you still can't see.

"...I shouldn't have responded to you the first time."
Here's something we can agree on.

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[FranzK]

Check it out, I just updated the dream machine with a kaoss pad now. Man I want one bad now!

beautiful to behold.

but you realize, its becoming the Dave Smith / Linn TEMPEST!
so expensive, but so awesomly Analog 100%

a similarity which i use to advantage here in this
"predictive video review"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCGfxm81wMc

and let us note - Korg DS10 and iMS10 both feature a kaoss pad
integrated into electribe style arcitecture, so SOMEbody understnds us!

[FranzK]

ive beet testing the spark at noisebug synth shop,
(see my video review sooon!)

its really good! Its fairly electribe like.
Like it more than maschine (except that NI has a better sample lib)

it has a kaossy effect pad with glitch, stutter, tape spindown effects

it has a sequence stutter looper up top.

BUT yeah, stuck to that old computer.

SO
so heres my semi serious answer -
buy an EEPC or some microsized pc laptop and strap it to the bottom
of the Spark. ha ha, there you go, now its self contained.

the spark seems like a great piece of kit... but.. and this is a big but.. it cant run stand alone.. and that i'm afraid is a deal breaker for me. same reason I never seriously considered the maschine and went instead for the MPC. although I can fully understand the massive cost savings and simplification of design of hardware that comes with software-hardware integration

[FranzK]

what do i want for the next electribe? and all future kaoss gear?

BATTERY POWER!

So I can jam out on stage, outside, or anywhere.

( ueah, monotron rules!)

http://soundcloud.com/vjfranzk/battery
my song about battery power! for new album

also built in speakers, even if tiny.
sometimes theres just nowhere to plug in.

(i like both of these features of my Tenori on!)

[FranzK]

The Tempest and Beathang look great

The Beat Thang looks interesting, but the retail price is $1500!
That's three times as much as an EMX...

I'm not convinced that the Beat Thang is worth that price?
I would have to try one out to tell you.


I have tried the SPARK, it is MUCH better than I thought it would be,
and it's VERY ELECTRIBE LIKE to play! As well as some MPC flavor in the pads.
(Unlike Maschine, which sounds great, but is not Electribe like at all.)

(I'm editing a video of jamming with it right NOW! See my YT Channel soon.)

The main thing I dislike about it is - it MUST always be connected
to a computer - it is a highly specialized CONTROLLER of software.
(of course that also makes it great to use inside your favorite DAW -
ableton live, Logic, Cubase, FL? what ever.)


Tempest will be amazing, I am certain. Will review it as soon as I am possibly able! Main problem? Price $2 K
You get a lot, but you must pay a lot.