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[PinkFloydDudi]

Did it ever occur to the OP that there are a (likely) majority of Kronos users who don't need that editor to enjoy this amazing keyboard?

Wanting Korg to do everything to appease your individual use of their product is beyond silly.

[Chriskk]

Wanting Korg to do everything to appease your individual use of their product is beyond silly.

It's beyond idiotic to critisize the OP for wanting what Korg promised 6 months ago.

Korg announced the editor at the winter NAMM along with the Kronos. The editor has been featured at the Kronos page at Korg.com since then. Yet, Korg has been silent about it.

[cello]

Just to put into context... there is no Editor for the OASYS; never has been (not from Korg anyway).

This has not rendered the keyboard unusable!

[cello]

Wanting Korg to do everything to appease your individual use of their product is beyond silly.

It's beyond idiotic to critisize the OP for wanting what Korg promised 6 months ago.

Korg announced the editor at the winter NAMM along with the Kronos. The editor has been featured at the Kronos page at Korg.com since then. Yet, Korg has been silent about it.

Re Korg promises... touchy subject with O users for the last 6 years. The Kronos is just out - irrespective of when it was announced.

Patience pays as I do believe that Korg will have learned from previous experience... the K editor will come; when it's ready.

[Sam CA]

...Korg does post tutorials on youtube.

Actually they do have a YouTube video channel.

[MartinHines]

If memory serves me correct...Fantom G, Fantom XR, Motif ES rack all shipped with editors.

Motif XF did not ship with an editor -- download.
Kurzweil PC3K8 did not ship with an editor -- download.

I don't know about the timing of the Motif XF, but I do know the PC3K8 editor was available after the product shipped.

I am sure the Kronos editor will be available soon enough. Early adopters should always be prepared for things like this. If a person sees this as a big problem, they should NOT be an early adopter.

It's beyond idiotic to critisize the OP for wanting what Korg promised 6 months ago.

Korg announced the editor at the winter NAMM along with the Kronos.

I guess you aren't really familiar with software development, especially when software development is tied to hardware. I would expect editor development to lag hardware development. Korg could have delayed shipping the Kronos until the editor was complete, but would you really have wanted that? I certainly would not.

[X-Trade]

...Korg does post tutorials on youtube.

Actually they do have a YouTube video channel.

Yeah. What I said.

[cynkh]

I have to say that I understand some amount of frustration with the timeline. I'm also a little aggrevated that the editor wasn't available at the time of the launch; but, that having been said I'm also very excited to be able to have the board and play with it while waiting for the editor to become available.
Something which has helped me and may help you with respect to Logic (this goes the same with the Triton Extreme) is that I've created a template project specifically for the Kronos which has all 16 MIDI channels configured and the program change disabled by default. I've had Logic zap my combi or sequence settings too many times and learned the best way around this is to have Logic not automatically bombard the Kronos/Triton with program changes at launch time.
Hope this helps. And in the meantime, just have fun with the Kronos as a killer piece of outboard gear...

Cheers!

[Sam CA]

...Korg does post tutorials on youtube.

Actually they do have a YouTube video channel.

Yeah. What I said.

Oops! I thought u wrote "does not". Sorry.

[MartinHines]

If Kronos owners are THAT upset that the editor is not available, I have a solution for you -- put your Kronos back in the box and don't use until the editor is available. Problem solved!!!

[Teh Mick]

If Kronos owners are THAT upset that the editor is not available, I have a solution for you -- put your Kronos back in the box and don't use until the editor is available. Problem solved!!!

Hahahaha good one !

[Zeroesque]

Wanting Korg to do everything to appease your individual use of their product is beyond silly.

It's beyond idiotic to critisize the OP for wanting what Korg promised 6 months ago.

Korg announced the editor at the winter NAMM along with the Kronos. The editor has been featured at the Kronos page at Korg.com since then. Yet, Korg has been silent about it.

Korg's "promise" that you mention was a product announcement and unveiling to music industry insiders at a music industry trade show. This is in no way equal to advertising to consumers, though it may appear that way to you in today's ultra-connected, real-time world. That type of timely news, however, is to our benefit, so why do you use it against them?

I would agree that it could be mentioned on the website that it is not available yet, but you know what: s**t happens. I'd like to have the editor as well, but there's so much to get into w/ this instrument, and the editor is such a small, somewhat unnecessary part (it operates as a fantastic instrument 100% w/o the editor). Anyway, I'm sure it will show up sooner or later. Constantly beating on Korg about such small things is like turning down a date w/ a supermodel (or whatever individual you might dream about dating) because they had broken a fingernail. Would you really stand there and try to embarrass them in front of everyone because of that?

[Gargamel314]

well, first of all the Kronos sounds great. i bought this unit on the advertised feature of EDITOR SOFTWARE that allows the Kronos to be used as a PLUG-IN on your favorite DAW and then when you save the DAW song it also saves the STATE OF THE KRONOS so you dont have to reset all the presets or use a COMBI that matches the song your working on. what Korg neglected to mention is that the SOFTWARE FOR THAT FEATURE IS NOT AVAILABLE YET. thier website mentions NOTHING of this. and in fact the website hasnt changed ONE BIT in months.
youd think also that such a big company selling 3500 dollar synths would be capable enough of posting YOUTUBE TUTORIALS. these are the days of HIGH DEF VIDEOS ON CELLPHONES! there are soccer moms posting more useful content on facebook!!!! SURELY SOMEONE AT KORG HAS THOUGHT "HEY, WE KINDA MISGUIDED OUR CUSTOMERS INTO BUYING AN UNFINISHED PRODUCT, WHY DONT WE HELP THEM OUT WITH A FEW VIDEO TUTORIALS"...nope. im beginning to think i should have bought the ARTURIA ORIGIN KEYBOARD at this point.
FURTHERMORE, Logic Audio is not working the way it used to since connecting the Kronos. ive had to resort to experimenting with WHICH ONE TO TURN ON FIRST....i think ive got it figured out and then VOILA it reverses on me.
i cant seem to figure out what is up and wouldnt it be nice if KORG was posting YOUTUBE content instead of waiting for Craig Anderton orLen Sasso to post something. ITS YOUR PRODUCT FOR GODS SAKE!!! ANY PRIDE THERE? If i manufactured such a product YOU COULDNT STOP ME FROM POSTING VIDEO TUTORIALS!
this instrument offers such promise.......so when does it come true?

VERY EASY WORKAROUND:

when you save your project in your DAW, name the song in KRONOS's sequencer, and then from the drop-down menu, select "Save Template" - and save it to one of the user templates at the end. When you load your project up again, load the template, and you will find all of your settings will be just as you left them. from my experience with the M3's editor, you have to "Receive 1 SEQ" anyway and then save the file on your computer, in order for the editor to actually save the state of the synth... that doesn't seem any easier to me than using the user templates... except that when I save the user templates, i KNOW everything got saved the way it was supposed to right into the M3's memory: Effects settings, Track parameters, Tone Adjust, everything.

You can still perform all of your edits from the KRONOS's UI just as effectively as you could with the editor. I don't think the editor is that big of a feature... you can do everything it can manually without really going out of your way, although I'm sure some would argue that a software-editor for the Kronos would be easier on the eyes than the touch screen.

Regarding YouTube videos, many of the YouTube tutorials that apply to the M50 and M3 will apply to the Kronos's HD-1 engine, as well as sequencing, and using effects. There really aren't a lot of things new in the Kronos except for some new effects, new sounds, and, well the 8 other synthesis engines. I'm sure Korg will release some Kronos Tutorials in time. But for now, this is what you get.

Meanwhile, there are other resources available, like this forum, where you can basically ask ANY question about the Kronos you could dream of (in a respectful tone of course), and someone will give you a pretty great answer, as there are some very, very smart people on this forum. That to me is way more useful than any tutorial video Korg could ever produce. Usually tutorial videos answer very basic questions but don't actually address the specific problem you need help with, because they are too general.

[Rosen Sound]

If memory serves me correct...Fantom G, Fantom XR, Motif ES rack all shipped with editors.

Exactly. Would you want the Kronos to be THAT crappy just so the software is out before the first unit ships?

The vast majority of customers would want the keyboard early if the software wasn't ready. I don't use the software and I'm betting the majority don't either.

I wouldn't dare speak for the vast majority of customers. Neither should you. Besides, I personally don't care what anyone else wants. But just like the Motif XF and Fantom G/X, an editor is a key feature.

And I agree that a company shouldn't advertise something that isn't available...or at least clearly indicate to customers that it isn't available yet. Anything else would be dishonest and/or misleading.

Of course you need a software editor for such a crappy interface (Fantom G)

[jahrome]

If memory serves me correct...Fantom G, Fantom XR, Motif ES rack all shipped with editors.

Motif XF did not ship with an editor -- download.
Kurzweil PC3K8 did not ship with an editor -- download.

I don't know about the timing of the Motif XF, but I do know the PC3K8 editor was available after the product shipped.

I am sure the Kronos editor will be available soon enough. Early adopters should always be prepared for things like this. If a person sees this as a big problem, they should NOT be an early adopter.

I didn't say the Motif XF shipped with an editor. And it doesn't matter if it was shipped or came as a download..the fact is, its available. While we are on the subject of the Motif XF...it is still the premiere workstation, in my opinion, for direct integration with a computer. Korg and Roland should take notes. The only reason why I didn't opt for the Motif XF is because it has even less sample RAM than the Kronos...and its sampler is too cumbersome as compared to the Kronos.

I notice that in this forum, we have a lot of people that are passionate about Korg and quick to come to their defense. Many of them don't even own a Kronos. lol Don't be mad at those that can afford to own the keyboard. Regardless, you can not defend false advertisement so stop bashing the gentleman who wants what was "promised" :

Computer Connectivity
Kronos can send MIDI signals to and from your computer via USB. Using the Kronos Editor software (free download), sounds and settings can be edited directly from your computer. The Kronos Plug-in Editor (free download) lets you use Kronos from within many popular DAW systems, as if it were a plug-in instrument. Kronos can also be used as an audio I/O for your computer, sending and receiving two channels of audio via USB. In a music production system using your Kronos and a computer, there is no need to purchase any additional hardware, creating the simplest possible set-up.

This doesn't say not available or coming soon as a download......