Anyone using Bose L1 MK II?

[elvisron]

You don't need the extra sub, it all comes together with
how you program your Tonematch.

Hey Ron, Can you share what you programmed on the Tonematch to make your PA2X only use 1 Bass Module. I've been using it flat with no eq but then I've been using 2xB1 and sometimes depending on the venue there's almost too much bass

Cheers

Simon

Hi Simon,

first of all, I did not programmed it, Dirk Schurmans from Belgium did it because I couldn't get it right also the credits are for Dirk.


I have made foto's from the Tonematch of each setting.


I have not problem of sharing it, I hope Dirk hasn't also because it's his work.

I will contact him and if he is ok with it I will share it, I hop you understand.



Ron.

[Giner]

Hi Ron,

If you get the 'ok' from Dirk, would you mind sharing it with me, too? I'm assuming that most of what you've done would work with a Pa1XPro as well.

Cheers, Giner

[elvisron]

Hi Ron,

If you get the 'ok' from Dirk, would you mind sharing it with me, too? I'm assuming that most of what you've done would work with a Pa1XPro as well.

Cheers, Giner

No Problem, I would gladly help you all out.

I have made foto's from all the settings, now its the question how to get them all here on this topic. I have tham also in a Rar file but I don't see any
funtcion here how to get a rar file here so you can download the file.

I have to say that the settings dirk have mad for us, are settings
as we use it on stage. But if you take these settings as the basic
you would really like the sound.

Affcourse if you are using a mic the possibillty is that you have to change
the eq settings for you own mic.

If you get the picture on channel 1 and 2 are our microphones and channel 4&5 is for the pa2xpro.



Ron.

[hellboy44]

Hey Dennis.

Look, I don't see why anyone would need two systems except for huge events and big Crowds/Rooms.

If I had the cash and the set up time (or more to the point - Roadies!) I might use two systems just for the hell of it, OCCASIONALLY - at REALLY major events - but as it stands:

1. The whole point of compact systems like the Bose is that Transport and set up/tear down time is minimal.
2. I'll say it again - you don't need it.

Really.

Truly!

Hope that helps

[Giner]

Yep, that nails it, hellboy. About the stereo thing, and it's been done to death on many forums, after about 15-20 feet out from the stage stereo imaging is pretty well lost. It's cool for those in the sweet spot, but further out, meh.

@Ron. That's the way I use it, vocals into Ch.1 and keyboard into Ch. 3 on the Tonematch. So it's only two adjustment zones for whatever room you're playing. Most times, though, I eq vocals on our small Behringer mixer, so it's really only on the keyboard channel (Ch. 3) where I make the eq changes from gig to gig.

[miden]

Hey Dennis.

Look, I don't see why anyone would need two systems except for huge events and big Crowds/Rooms.

If I had the cash and the set up time (or more to the point - Roadies!) I might use two systems just for the hell of it, OCCASIONALLY - at REALLY major events - but as it stands:

1. The whole point of compact systems like the Bose is that Transport and set up/tear down time is minimal.
2. I'll say it again - you don't need it.

Really.

Truly!

Hope that helps

Yeah it does thanks...although it looks like what I can actually get is the L1 Mk I, is it as good as the MK II that you have in your opinion? IE, are they like 6 of one and half doz of the other?

D

[hellboy44]

No they're not the same - in as much as the Mark 1 has a Bigger Footprint (heavier and more cumbersome) and the Sound Spread (the width) is narrower than the Mark 2 - a bonus in some situations.

The Real World Sound Output (Power) is the same, but give me the Mark 2 anyday really.

Try for the Mark 2 unless there is a HUGE difference in Price and SEVERE difficuly in getting a Mark 2 - for whatever reason.

Again, I hope that helps!

[miden]

Thanks HB...

I can get a model 1(second-hand) for $2500 plus added sub for $490, whereas the model II is going to cost $3600 (brand new with warranty). Then add the Tonematch and the extra sub and it comes out to $4850.

So total for mk I 2950, mk II $4850....IS there $1850 worth of difference?

Dennis

[miden]

No they're not the same - in as much as the Mark 1 has a Bigger Footprint (heavier and more cumbersome) and the Sound Spread (the width) is narrower than the Mark 2 - a bonus in some situations.

Does this mean more feedback issues? What situations is the narrower spread an advantage?

Dennis

[ds210]

Hello Everybody

Tomorrow i gone send You more programs of my,n Tonematch T1

But how can i put this here on this Forum

ho can help me


Thanks

Mister Dirk

ps Sorry but i play every day music on stage so i don't have many time

[hellboy44]

Hi Dennis.

I was going to direct you to the Bose Forums (particularly the link below)

http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc ... 2220028726

But then upon reading it - it appears to be you! ('Dennis From Australia', under another name of course)

LOL

Those guys (particularly "ST") are FANTASTIC and will help with any queries better than I could. I suppose you're asking me because we have a LOT of real world experience with the System, as professionals, in Australia, with no commercial Ties to Bose. Thing is, the guys on that Forum are exactly the same as me - no Commercial ties to Bose (except for the People marked *name*@Bose - they are the Engineers and Technicians who created the System, many are musos themselves, and some of the nicest "Corporate" guys I've ever (Virtually) met!

The Bose Wiki is also a Fantastic resource:

http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki

I'm happy to talk all day about the Bose, but I think I've said all that's relevant to your situation.

Quite frankly, I don't see why EVERY Musician/Band doesn't use this System (in Small-Medium Venues that require a Portable PA Solution) as I'm confident it gives us a clear advantage over almost every other Act that doesn't use it.

NOW:

I know what I just said above is only my opinion, and may ruffle a few feathers - I don't mean it to. I truly believe, from my heart, that it's the best Portable System I've ever seen, heard, or worked with.

Btw, the Model 1 has front facing Speakers in the Pole, the Mark 2 has Articulated Speakers Angled left and Right Alternately that Disperse the Sound much Wider than the Model 1.

One shock you may encounter with the L1 is that being SO much clearer than many other systems, you'll find any mistake or Bum note you hit (happens all the time in my case LOL) is "on display" for all to hear.
It's important, because you just can't "Turn up the Bass and sound Like Elvis" like in a conventional System - you sound Like Yourself, with almost total Clarity - you may not like that, or, to be more accurate, you may need time to get used to it......!


One other thing, don't forget - Budget-Wise - you can sell your old PA and use the Money to Part Fund the new Bose Purchase!
In our case, we sold our old PA (a conventional, speakers on Poles, separate 15" Sub, Stereo Set up) for $1,900 so our Model 2 ended up costing us something like $3,000

Again, hope that helps, and I hope I've been clear and intelligent (2 things I'm not very good at!) and I hope I haven't offended anyone. This is all only my opinion and Belief.

Personally, I will NEVER - E V E R go back to a Conventional System (Stereo or not) again.

Peace out, and 2 cents deposited.

[miden]

Thanks HB, yeah some good info over at that forum, BUT with time zones and stuff like that it is sometimes not the quickest for info.

did you miss this question - Does this mean more feedback issues? What situations is the narrower spread an advantage? this was in relation to the model I over the model II.

And yes m8, you are 100% correct you are using the system pretty much for the same venues and crowds I am I think, AND you came from a conventional PA like I am doing.

D

[hellboy44]

Sorry - guess I did forget myself in my previous Rant, LOL...
Well:

As far as Feedback goes - the "Official Bose Line" is Feedback is 'greatly reduced.'
I haven't found that to be the case, it's still an issue like any other P.A.

The Bose is *Ideally* meant to be placed 7-9 feet behind you so you can hear what the audience hears - it is it's OWN Foldback, instead of putting up with Tinny, Noisy Wedges that seldom represent the FOH Audio the Audience is experiencing.

In the real world however, not many stages I know have that much depth - the width? Sure!

What we end up doing is placing the Bose to the Side and angling it towards us - which can then involve feedback if it's a big 'Pumpy' Gig and the Sound edges towards the upper limits.
One solution (that I haven't tried yet) can be to set a Noise Gate on the Vocal Channel via the Bose Mixing Desk (The Tonematch T1, a desk I HIGHLY recommend with the system btw...!!) but generally you DO have feedback issues, just not as many as if you put a conventional PA system "Behind you".

What can I say - every Room/Venue/Gig is different, and you have to get used to the system after a few gigs (at least!) like any other new system you buy.

The Advantage of the Narrower field of the Bose Model 1 is that if you are in a Venue that is open plan, and you have Dancers/Listeners in front of you and a Dining Area off to the Side, the Model 1 will *mostly* hit the areas it's intended to - the Listeners in the front. With the Model 2, the Spread will hit other areas it "shouldn't" - like the afore mentioned Dining area.

In other words, you can control the Sound a little better with the Mark 1. The Model 2 is a more Scatter-shot approach where the sound flows through everywhere in an Open Venue.

We've dealt with this, and still get the occasional "turn that down!" request from Management/Patrons, but it's become less of an issue as we learn how to deal with the spread.

Again, quite Frankly, we're the kind of Act that seldom does the Dinner/Musical Wallpaper thing, as we are deliberately a "big sound, hey-look-at-us" kind of Act (especially when we're a Trio in Big Venues) so the Model 2 sound spread is an advantage as far as we're concerned.

Horses for Courses I guess....?

It is something you should be aware of, but I REALLY hope I haven't put you off the System.

Have a think and see whether this System really IS for you though - I honestly think 90% of Entertainers WOULD benefit from this system, but perhaps you are in the 10% where another System might help more.

[Giner]

Hi Dennis, I just wanted to reinforce what Hellboy said about feedback. We know feedback can be induced on any PA, but we've yet to experience any. Where we place it is the same as HB - off to one side, slightly behind us and angled slightly towards us.

We encountered a sonic disaster of a room the other week. Small stage backed by a convex curved brick wall. The opposite wall, also curved and hard surfaced created a very offputting bounceback of a small fraction of a second. The side walls of the room angled out in a straight line to the back corners of the larger facing curve. In more blindness rather than thought, I angled the Bose a little more in towards us and it's almost like it adapated itself and there was no further problem.

I have to say this is the best $2900Cdn. I've ever spent. Hope you get one soon.

Cheers, Giner.

[miden]

The Advantage of the Narrower field of the Bose Model 1 is that if you are in a Venue that is open plan, and you have Dancers/Listeners in front of you and a Dining Area off to the Side, the Model 1 will *mostly* hit the areas it's intended to - the Listeners in the front. With the Model 2, the Spread will hit other areas it "shouldn't" - like the afore mentioned Dining area.

In other words, you can control the Sound a little better with the Mark 1. The Model 2 is a more Scatter-shot approach where the sound flows through everywhere in an Open Venue.

Thanks again HB, and thanks Giner for your input as well....There are a couple of venues I do that have diners to one side and a dance floor in front with tables, but I think the diners are so far away it probably would not matter much, I THINK!!

No, you haven't put me off it m8!! LOL....In fact I bought it...I got the Model II with the Tonematch and an extra sub box...hopefully it will arrive tomorrow as I am planning to use it at Fridays gig, so I will need a few days to get it set up and used to it I think..

It will be interesting as I still have my old system (it will have to go though to help pay for it) of the QSC K10's and 15" sub, so I will be able to do direct A/B's on it.....

Your input has been great as has Giners' as I mentioned earlier, and all those others who chimed in...all good stuff.

Cheers
Dennis