There are two kinds of oasys owners. One that would have never bought the expansions, who have now been rewarded for not buying them, and the other kind who were stupid enough to purchase the expansions and are now kicked in their groin and have to spend another $3800 to get a few penny discount on imaginary expansions that don't exist yet.
I bought O88 first hand and paid for all my expansions by saving little by little and sacrificing few other things. I am extemely angry at the way korg has screwed me by decreasing the value of my oasys by giving away for free all that I had spent so much money on. Adding fuel to fire is the way I have been mailed by seiki kato, saying I will get discount on kronos expansions because I purchased oasys expansions!
Mr Kato, you must be kidding! Or are you really taking the piss? You under-value my oasys first. Then you expect me to buy your 'new product' which is essentially OASYS II but with all the expansions for free, so that you can sell me more of your expansions for a discount????
Mr Kato, this is an open letter to you. Either release an expansion/update/oasys editor free only to those that had purchased the expansions in the past, or refund the money that we spent on all those expansions immediately!
PS: I really wish there was a legal way to challenge all those lies of korg and this stupid decision of Mr Kato and his team.
Free major OASYS update for who purchased exp's OR refund
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Hi,
I voted for the refund.
I also bought all expansions and again - I´m fine with all who get it for free now. On the other hand in my eyes this is a difficult product strategy, even when a product is discontinued. I myself doubt, that I - if I ever buy a Korg product again - will pay for any additional expansions having in mind that someday I´ll get them for free.
And you cannot compare it with software that gives you new/old functions in a newer version: the main difference is, that you have to buy the newest product or make an upgrade to get the functions - in our example you have to buy a Kronos.
I never thought that Korg would give the expansions for free but now they do and they try to give a kind of refund with their letter and offer on further expansions - well not really a deal but I see and accept it as a nice gesture.
After Oasys is softwarewise and hardwarewise discontinued I don´t think that there will be any further expansions or upgrades, so another choice in the poll wouldn´t make sense for me.
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I voted for the refund.
I also bought all expansions and again - I´m fine with all who get it for free now. On the other hand in my eyes this is a difficult product strategy, even when a product is discontinued. I myself doubt, that I - if I ever buy a Korg product again - will pay for any additional expansions having in mind that someday I´ll get them for free.
And you cannot compare it with software that gives you new/old functions in a newer version: the main difference is, that you have to buy the newest product or make an upgrade to get the functions - in our example you have to buy a Kronos.
I never thought that Korg would give the expansions for free but now they do and they try to give a kind of refund with their letter and offer on further expansions - well not really a deal but I see and accept it as a nice gesture.
After Oasys is softwarewise and hardwarewise discontinued I don´t think that there will be any further expansions or upgrades, so another choice in the poll wouldn´t make sense for me.
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SoulBe
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Another poll that's slanted towards only one kind of reply, which is designed only to reinforce the negative attitude of the OP.
Here's another angle. I bought my O76 new and paid for all of the expansions too. And for several years, I have been using those additional sounds and sound engines on countless projects (some of which were very high-profile). For me, they have paid for themselves many times over. While I was using them, those who were simply more patient than I did NOT have access to those capabilities, and now, several years later, they will. I think that for them the patience paid off, and for me, the lack of patience paid off. So we're all good in the end!
Don't get me wrong. I don't enjoy spending more than I have in the bank and I don't go out of my way to pay more if I don't have to, but in this circumstance, you have to consider the value of the product. I use my Oasys every day, and while it's dollar value in the used marketplace may be diminished by Kronos, it's intrinsic value in my studio is the same as it was on day one. I don't feel compelled to "upgrade" to Kronos; nor do I expect Korg to refund me for software I have already gotten more value out of than the price paid. Would I like something for free? Sure! Who wouldn't? But do Korg owe me something? Absolutely not!
I've stated before that it would have been great if some of the new goodies that Kronos owners' will get to enjoy could have been cross-compatible with the Oasys, and I too wish that the promises of the Oasys' expandability had been extended beyond its limited shelf life. But technology changes, and you have to be able to rectify with yourself that those things are not going to happen, and ultimately it's unrealistic to expect otherwise.
Here's another angle. I bought my O76 new and paid for all of the expansions too. And for several years, I have been using those additional sounds and sound engines on countless projects (some of which were very high-profile). For me, they have paid for themselves many times over. While I was using them, those who were simply more patient than I did NOT have access to those capabilities, and now, several years later, they will. I think that for them the patience paid off, and for me, the lack of patience paid off. So we're all good in the end!
Don't get me wrong. I don't enjoy spending more than I have in the bank and I don't go out of my way to pay more if I don't have to, but in this circumstance, you have to consider the value of the product. I use my Oasys every day, and while it's dollar value in the used marketplace may be diminished by Kronos, it's intrinsic value in my studio is the same as it was on day one. I don't feel compelled to "upgrade" to Kronos; nor do I expect Korg to refund me for software I have already gotten more value out of than the price paid. Would I like something for free? Sure! Who wouldn't? But do Korg owe me something? Absolutely not!
I've stated before that it would have been great if some of the new goodies that Kronos owners' will get to enjoy could have been cross-compatible with the Oasys, and I too wish that the promises of the Oasys' expandability had been extended beyond its limited shelf life. But technology changes, and you have to be able to rectify with yourself that those things are not going to happen, and ultimately it's unrealistic to expect otherwise.
I bought a car 15 years ago for $30,000 and now I see the same company selling a BETTER car for less money. How do I get my $30,000 back?
After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
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you are comparing apples and donkeys! Tell me if there is any company that gives away its previous version of its software for FREE after it released the next version of the same software??? Logic studio? Reason? Cubase? protools perhaps? Here Korg has not even updated its software, its just giving it for free after reading another 'pointless and stupid' poll (in your own words) which actually seemed to have worked!!! And note, only 27 people out of more than 2500 oasys users have voted on that poll.McHale wrote:I bought a car 15 years ago for $30,000 and now I see the same company selling a BETTER car for less money. How do I get my $30,000 back?
After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
Clearly, you are one of my fellow musicians who got expansions for free because you couldn't care to buy them. Although, I would have loved to be in your shoes, I don't think that it is fair strategy.
come on, play some music, stay cool and don´t forget that both Oasys and Kronos customers are fellow musicians after all, there is no competition in "bigger better faster"McHale wrote: After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
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McHale, your argument does not make sense, as Korg did not even give expansions away for a discount; It gave it away for FREE!!!McHale wrote:I bought a car 15 years ago for $30,000 and now I see the same company selling a BETTER car for less money. How do I get my $30,000 back?
Applying your logic, I am pretty certain you will be really unhappy if your car company gave away all its 2005 models for FREE because it has released a new cheaper version!
If your car company was that stupid, no one would buy a car from that company as everyone knows that in 5 years time you could get the car for FREE!!!
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I couldn't agree more. OASYS users crying foul need a reality check. No one should be "Surprised" by the Kronos release 6 whole years after the OASYS.McHale wrote:I bought a car 15 years ago for $30,000 and now I see the same company selling a BETTER car for less money. How do I get my $30,000 back?
After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
If you don't want to get "burned":
-Don't be an early adopter
-Don't buy Boutique instruments
-Don't buy an R & D "Experiment"
It's pretty simple. The OASYS on it's own without the EXis wasn't compelling enough for most to spend $8k for in 2005 for and it still wouldn't be in 2011!
So what do you do after you've recouped costs and want to bring the technology to the masses for the final payoff?
-Drop the price to what most people consider "Normal"
-Include all the bells and whistles to make it stand out from the crowd
-If "Raising the bar", get the drop on the competition before they follow suit.
Which is EXACTLY what Korg has done!
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Yamaha: Motif XS7, FS1R
Kawai K5000S, Roland JD-990 w/Vintage Synth
Good old Korg I say..NuSkoolTone wrote:It's pretty simple. The OASYS on it's own without the EXis wasn't compelling enough for most to spend $8k for in 2005 for and it still wouldn't be in 2011!
So what do you do after you've recouped costs and want to bring the technology to the masses for the final payoff?
-Drop the price to what most people consider "Normal"
-Include all the bells and whistles to make it stand out from the crowd
-If "Raising the bar", get the drop on the competition before they follow suit.
Which is EXACTLY what Korg has done!
....it was really all our fault after all.... 
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McHale wrote:I bought a car 15 years ago for $30,000 and now I see the same company selling a BETTER car for less money. How do I get my $30,000 back?
After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
Well on this I agree with you.
This OASYS forum has desceneded into the pits. Absolutely nothing but perpetual moaning and groaning about upgrades, the price, Kronos, how mean Korg are and so on and so on - over and over and God-damn over; and with absolutely no moderators of the forum managing it in any way whatsoever.
I agree - be done with it and shut the bloody forum down - it has become completely irrelevant.
Kevin.
Well stop reading it if your that bothered. Nobody is forcing you to look at what people post. I own an Oasys and couldnt care if they dont ever release another thing for it.Kevin Nolan wrote:McHale wrote:I bought a car 15 years ago for $30,000 and now I see the same company selling a BETTER car for less money. How do I get my $30,000 back?
After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
Well on this I agree with you.
This OASYS forum has desceneded into the pits. Absolutely nothing but perpetual moaning and groaning about upgrades, the price, Kronos, how mean Korg are and so on and so on - over and over and God-damn over; and with absolutely no moderators of the forum managing it in any way whatsoever.
I agree - be done with it and shut the bloody forum down - it has become completely irrelevant.
Kevin.
I must admit i get sick of seeing you kissing korgs arse all the time but i dont complain about it.
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If you showed an ounce of integrity "markup" you'd do what every descent person on every descent forum does - and go to the bother of looking over the history of this forum - get a feel for it - find out if you tired and jaded point has been made and discussed before, and if it has, zip it.markuk wrote:Well stop reading it if your that bothered. Nobody is forcing you to look at what people post. I own an Oasys and couldnt care if they dont ever release another thing for it.Kevin Nolan wrote:McHale wrote:I bought a car 15 years ago for $30,000 and now I see the same company selling a BETTER car for less money. How do I get my $30,000 back?
After seeing this thread, I'm all for shutting down the whole OASYS sub-forum. These argument are pointless and stupid.
Well on this I agree with you.
This OASYS forum has desceneded into the pits. Absolutely nothing but perpetual moaning and groaning about upgrades, the price, Kronos, how mean Korg are and so on and so on - over and over and God-damn over; and with absolutely no moderators of the forum managing it in any way whatsoever.
I agree - be done with it and shut the bloody forum down - it has become completely irrelevant.
Kevin.
I must admit i get sick of seeing you kissing korgs arse all the time but i dont complain about it.
There were many of us on this forum before moaning, negative, griping blow-ins like you, who made something positive and exciting of this forum.
We celebrated OASYS, shared music and ideas, discussed and even helped test OS and plugin upgrades with Korg, shared our ideas with other forum members, helped out others and a plethora of other positive activity that made this about the best forum I have ever encountered and which radically improved our musical lives.
Go check those threads out - and maybe then you'll figure out how to temper your utterly ill-judged, boring and basically immature arguments.
How about contributing something worthwhile for a change - got any sounds you'd care to share? Got any tips and tricks you think others could benefit from? No? Well then how much of this clap-trap nonsense do you expect people who contributed in those ways for years on end to listen to your whines and groans.
If you are not happy with the instrument, or Korg - at least conjure up something new and original to debate.
And again Sharp - could you see fit to do some moderating on this forum these days? Please set back into balance these perpetual moaning and griping threads - or else put us all out of our misery and shut the forum down.
Kevin.
Hi Kevin,
with all respect I think it is the wrong way to plead for shutting down the forum. If you look at the last topics it is not only moaning and suffering, many ask for help with their technical problems.
Of course there will be no "praising" on a discontinued product like in the beginning and of course the Kronos customers now are discovering their new instrument with all that enthusiasm we had when we got our Oasys. And if someone likes to complain then he is welcome to do this - don´t you think the letter from Korg was - at least partly- because of the complaints of the Oasyans?
BTW I think even in the Kronos section there is a lot of moaning about build quality, sounding Kronos vs Kronos, the editor etc.
Of course I also miss those forumers like Daz etc, we´ve lost Peter M Mahr etc but you know why they went away.
What I don´t like is the sometimes harsh behaviour against each other - Akos Janka (also partly went away btw) called it a "gentlemen club" and that respect towards each other is what I´m missing in a lot of posts (not in your posts Kevin), I also don´t like that sort of beginning "competition" between Kronos and Oasys - after all everybody should respect each other as a fellow musician with let´s say 90 per cent identical instrument oder 80 per cent I don´t mind. Kronos community can learn from all those Oasys threads and from the experience of Oasys users and so do Oasysans reading the Kronos threads and helping each other. Sorry for my english:)
best regards
SoulBe
with all respect I think it is the wrong way to plead for shutting down the forum. If you look at the last topics it is not only moaning and suffering, many ask for help with their technical problems.
Of course there will be no "praising" on a discontinued product like in the beginning and of course the Kronos customers now are discovering their new instrument with all that enthusiasm we had when we got our Oasys. And if someone likes to complain then he is welcome to do this - don´t you think the letter from Korg was - at least partly- because of the complaints of the Oasyans?
BTW I think even in the Kronos section there is a lot of moaning about build quality, sounding Kronos vs Kronos, the editor etc.
Of course I also miss those forumers like Daz etc, we´ve lost Peter M Mahr etc but you know why they went away.
What I don´t like is the sometimes harsh behaviour against each other - Akos Janka (also partly went away btw) called it a "gentlemen club" and that respect towards each other is what I´m missing in a lot of posts (not in your posts Kevin), I also don´t like that sort of beginning "competition" between Kronos and Oasys - after all everybody should respect each other as a fellow musician with let´s say 90 per cent identical instrument oder 80 per cent I don´t mind. Kronos community can learn from all those Oasys threads and from the experience of Oasys users and so do Oasysans reading the Kronos threads and helping each other. Sorry for my english:)
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