Recording with logic

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:59 pm

So this has been very fustrating... at first this all worked awesome. now its a royal pain in the ass.

My metronome, and other tracks, are being recorded along with my kronos...

if anyone can help me fix this, it would be appreciated.

im am using kronos in AND out.

this used to work btw, it used to be fine...

ScoobyDoo555 · Post by **ScoobyDoo555** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:51 am

would you be able to explain in a bit more depth what the issue is?

On the surface, it sounds like a midi-clock and karma/kitchen sink function - where everything is being sent to the MIDI out.

Also check your soft-thru on Logic. What channels is being recorded?

There was something in the global pages (of Kronos) about what get outputted on a particular channel.....

Dan

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:57 am

okay
i have my kronos global audio with usb 1&2 set to L/R

logic is using my kronos as input and output device.

say i have 3 tracks
1. guitar
2. bass
3. drums

if i make a new track, track 4, and set it to my kronos (so i can use the kronos internal sounds)

logic will record the metronome (not the kronos one.. note input it turned off in logic) and the three other tracks into track four. because its recording what my kronos is outputing into my monitors....

this didnt use to happen, and its realy putting a halt on my recording... any help is appreciated.

ScoobyDoo555 · Post by **ScoobyDoo555** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:13 am

I'm assuming we're talking audio tracks here, not MIDI.

It's Logic's recording it's output.

You've got to set the output of Kronos (the track you want to record) to a different input to Logic - eg USB 1&2 are the "main mix", and your recording track is set to USB 3&4 (don't know for certain, as I'm at work, not by my Kronos)....

Does this make sense?

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:18 am

Sort of... not.. really.. you had me till USB 3&4 I dont know where to access that.

Thanks for your help so far Scooby!

I have the USB 1&2 input set the L/r ON THE KRONOS ftr. in logic its just input 1-2

ScoobyDoo555 · Post by **ScoobyDoo555** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:17 pm

Without dropping myself in it, I'll have a look when I get home (about 4 hours time!)

Dan

cynkh · Post by **cynkh** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:50 pm

robbinhood wrote:okay
i have my kronos global audio with usb 1&2 set to L/R

logic is using my kronos as input and output device.

say i have 3 tracks
1. guitar
2. bass
3. drums

if i make a new track, track 4, and set it to my kronos (so i can use the kronos internal sounds)

logic will record the metronome (not the kronos one.. note input it turned off in logic) and the three other tracks into track four. because its recording what my kronos is outputing into my monitors....

this didnt use to happen, and its realy putting a halt on my recording... any help is appreciated.

It sounds as though the Kronos is recording all audio coming into its USB 1/2 and also it sounds like Logic is sending all audio- including the metronome- through to the Kronos. Do you have a way to send the metronome strictly through the internal speakers or line out of your Logic machine? You may need an aggregate audio device set up on your Logic machine (Audio MIDI Setup in the Utilities folder: Command+Shift+U is the keyboard shortcut to get to that folder).
This is just a guess based on what you've explained and my own experience with the Kronos and Logic.

Let us know how it works and if this answered your question.

Cheers!

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:50 pm

cynkh wrote:
robbinhood wrote:okay
i have my kronos global audio with usb 1&2 set to L/R

logic is using my kronos as input and output device.

say i have 3 tracks
1. guitar
2. bass
3. drums

if i make a new track, track 4, and set it to my kronos (so i can use the kronos internal sounds)

logic will record the metronome (not the kronos one.. note input it turned off in logic) and the three other tracks into track four. because its recording what my kronos is outputing into my monitors....

this didnt use to happen, and its realy putting a halt on my recording... any help is appreciated.
It sounds as though the Kronos is recording all audio coming into its USB 1/2 and also it sounds like Logic is sending all audio- including the metronome- through to the Kronos. Do you have a way to send the metronome strictly through the internal speakers or line out of your Logic machine? You may need an aggregate audio device set up on your Logic machine (Audio MIDI Setup in the Utilities folder: Command+Shift+U is the keyboard shortcut to get to that folder).
This is just a guess based on what you've explained and my own experience with the Kronos and Logic.

Let us know how it works and if this answered your question.

Cheers!

okay, this used to be plug and play... thats why im concerned.
but i dont know what an aggregate device is... a little more info?

also, might i say, this didnt start until i loaded up a midi file off guitar pro

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:38 pm

I can't help much not having a KRONOS but there are lots of internal routing options in global mode I think.

You shouldn't need an aggregate audio device set up on your mac unless you're using two sound cards for something. And you state you had it working before.

Logic does have an option to send out a MIDI click track, so make sure it's not triggering programs on the KRONOS to play its click

Another thought is that if you have your KRONOS engaged in record mode via MIDI somehow when you do the same in Logic, then you may be playing the KRONOS internal click - assuming you're working in sequencer mode.

If you're just working with audio tracks and no MIDI, you shouldn't have to put up with be recording the output back into the input like that, makes pretty much anything involving more than one track impossible, so it really does sound like a global audio routing problem to me.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:30 pm

While i appreciate all of your advice... I am still in need of help

it would help if someone who HAS logic and a kronos could either comfirm whether they are experiencing the same, or if they arent, and if so, what settings they have on the kronos and logic

thanks!

any other help will be appreciated

Lou · Post by **Lou** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:12 am

Sounds to me like you have Kronos setup to record in Logic, but you are recording all sounds of your computer also.
There must be a setting that you missed somewhere in your Audio/Midi setup or in System Preferences/Sound in OSX?

Broadwave · Post by **Broadwave** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:51 am

I'll be honest with you and say that I don't use the Kronos for the Audio interface, but I have spent the last few hours with it (and Logic 9.1.5), and I also can't get to grips with it... Just using Logic and headphones on the Kronos, It seems that there is definitely no way to monitor the audio out from Logic, and play a new part on the Kronos without Logic re-recording everything.

I had a thought that the GLOBAL>AUDIO page would maybe enable me to re-route the incoming audio, so it's not routed to the main output, but still be able to monitor it on the headphone output... I've tried everything I could think of, but it's a no go.

So, while it was interesting as an experiment, I'd rather stick to my standard workflow Keyboards>USB Mixer>Mac... No problems.

Also, I found the USB Audio out from the Kronos was VERY low!

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:59 am

Kronik wrote:I'll be honest with you and say that I don't use the Kronos for the Audio interface, but I have spent the last few hours with it (and Logic 9.1.5), and I also can't get to grips with it... Just using Logic and headphones on the Kronos, It seems that there is definitely no way to monitor the audio out from Logic, and play a new part on the Kronos without Logic re-recording everything.

I had a thought that the GLOBAL>AUDIO page would maybe enable me to re-route the incoming audio, so it's not routed to the main output, but still be able to monitor it on the headphone output... I've tried everything I could think of, but it's a no go.

So, while it was interesting as an experiment, I'd rather stick to my standard workflow Keyboards>USB Mixer>Mac... No problems.

Also, I found the USB Audio out from the Kronos was VERY low!

Im actually happy you are experiencing the same issue i am.

I guess we can hope for an update

thanks for testing man

ScoobyDoo555 · Post by **ScoobyDoo555** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:38 am

I *will* have a look, but I just haven't had time to do it (with gigging and work).

Will see if I can look at it tonight.

minnkorg · Post by **minnkorg** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:42 pm

I use Logic with the Oasys.
I only use the O to Input to Logic.
From Logic then I go to my Monitors and main Amps.

Just curious why u are running Logic output back to the Kronos and then to your amps?