Kornos Vs Z1

tarek · Post by **tarek** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:56 pm

hello guys ..i'd like to ask the guys who already bought the kronos played on it and explored all the 9 synth engines ..we all know that kronos got the str-1 engine but what about the other engines do they cover the or imitate the Z1engine ?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:59 pm

The short answer would be "no". Though many people (myself included) used the Z1 largely for analog type sounds and there the Kronos is well equipped even if it's not identical. But not all the models from the Z1 are in the Kronos. Personally, I also like the wind/reed model from the Z1, and that's not covered in any way.

ak · Post by ak » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:31 pm

Tarek,

I agree with you. Korg should offer the missing MOSS models as an upgrade expansion.

Why not?

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:32 pm

I think the only model missing is the brass/reed and we
have been asking for this for quite some time now.
Might also be the vocoder or vocal component if this is possible.

Would be a nice NAMM suprise though...if it happened.

Billy

shawnhar · Post by **shawnhar** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:48 pm

The Z1 bowed string model is also absent. That wasn't the most popular model on the Z1, so less people are asking for it, but I somehow kinda like the Z1 cello sound. It sounds nowhere like a real cello, but is very expressive and interesting to layer with other synths.

Outside of bowed strings, brass, and reed, Kronos has equivalents or supersets of everything in the Z1. They're not exactly the same, so it isn't really feasible to convert Z1 sounds to Kronos, but roughly similar sounds can be created using roughly similar synthesis technologies.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:14 am

shawnhar wrote:The Z1 bowed string model is also absent. That wasn't the most popular model on the Z1, so less people are asking for it, but I somehow kinda like the Z1 cello sound. It sounds nowhere like a real cello, but is very expressive and interesting to layer with other synths.

Outside of bowed strings, brass, and reed, Kronos has equivalents or supersets of everything in the Z1. They're not exactly the same, so it isn't really feasible to convert Z1 sounds to Kronos, but roughly similar sounds can be created using roughly similar synthesis technologies.

Since the bow string is a plucked instrument I would have expect it could be simulated by STR-1 (but according your reply I might be wrong).

shawnhar · Post by **shawnhar** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:16 am

Str1 is vastly more flexible than the Z1 plucked string model, but I haven't heard anything from it quite like the Z1 bowed model. Of course that could just be because I haven't tried it with the right exciter waveform, but at least from what I know of it so far, I would be surprised if it could do anything quite like the Z1 cello.

Slovenec · Post by **Slovenec** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:15 am

It would be fantastic if the Kronos could be upgraded with the brass, reed and bowed string MOSS models. However, I heard a number of years ago, that the main programmer responsible for MOSS passed away and took his craft to the grave. Therefore, it might not be that simple for Korg to re-release these 3 models?? Whichever way, I loved the brass and reed sounds in my now sold Z1. The trumpet and some of the saxes sounded great if played using the correct controllers. Saying that, I also like the MOSS guitar sounds, not to mention the FM and EP sounds in the Z1.

I must say that the Z1 was (and still is!) and extremely powerful synthesiser with some big limitations like it's effects and the time it takes to change from one sound to another. My Z1 also had a bug where the sound sometimes changed at random when it was controlled from my computer sequencer.

I sold the Z1 4 years ago for a good price but I often think that I should have held on to this very powerful instrument.

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:16 am

You're right that gentleman did passaway, but korg have
all the spec's for the models. Dan has come in here stating that the reason brass/reed hasnt been released is because they havnt had time to do it.

Hopefully, now that the Kronos is complete, this gives korg more time to work on some of the other models.

The brass/reed is definately being requested by many. Anyway, see what happens down the road.

Billy

ak · Post by ak » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:07 am

Does it mean that Korg might consider adding them?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:39 am

michelkeijzers wrote:Since the bow string is a plucked instrument I would have expect it could be simulated by STR-1 (but according your reply I might be wrong).

Sorry, I had to laugh a little bit at this.

You are correct of course, that a bow string could be plucked and therefore mimicked by str-1. But a bowed string model translates as "gestreken snaar model" and has little to do with bow strings. Unless you bow them

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:23 am

SanderXpander wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote: Since the bow string is a plucked instrument I would have expect it could be simulated by STR-1 (but according your reply I might be wrong).
Sorry, I had to laugh a little bit at this. You are correct of course, that a bow string could be plucked and therefore mimicked by str-1. But a bowed string model translates as "gestreken snaar model" and has little to do with bow strings. Unless you bow them

I understand ... since it has 'string' in its name actually it should be incorporated in STR-1 ... maybe it will be added in STR-2 later.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:40 am

True, it would be nice if they could add it - especially if they managed to incorporate it into the same engine! I'd really like to see the Z1 piccolo flute make it back too... But all the more reason to keep my Extreme/MOSS I suppose

tarek · Post by **tarek** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:02 am

ak wrote:Does it mean that Korg might consider adding them?

yes korg should consider that ..!!! seriously...why ...for many reasons

1-korg is turning their back to the oriental players and letting them down
by ignoring their demands since oriental players all across the world
were always loyal to korg products .
2-before the z1,trinity and triton released things were just normal when it comes to oriental music..but after the tritniy and triton oriental music reached places that was imposible to reach b4 with the m1 or t3 etc ..so players here rly depands on these kind of moss synths.
3- korg by exclulding moss from the kronos is like asking the oriental players to stay away and not buy it ..and that what have happened with the m3 and sure mr ak and mr nedim knows exactly what talking about ,korg m3 was big dissapointment and faulire from sales point of view at least in middle east where more than (15000) keyboard players exisit and depands mainly on korg!!
4 korg ...is it right to turn ur back on those loyal players ? is right that we have still to pay 2700$ to get the trinity or extreme?is right you let all those players down and loose them ?how many units of m3 sold in the middle east 150 ?or less for god sakes m3 still in local korg dealer unsold for the 3rd yr

5 why you dont offer korg z1 engine as an expansion

that will push the sales of the kronos in addtion its an addtional income...korg usa offered the moss for free upon extreme release..we dont wont it for free we are ready to pay even if its expansive ..it will good for both..

finally and yes agian and agian we wont a z1 moss engine in the kronos so that will be 10 engines rather than 9 ..we dont wanna guess if the z1 covered by the str-1 or the ep or cx..simpley we would like to see a new z1 engine in the kronos or if ulike to keep the z1 engine for other keyboards projects ..than triton extreme 2 with force valve will be the perfect solution ..

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:16 am

Maybe the MOSS and/or Z1 functionality is either too time consuming for now to implement in software OR additional (faster) hardware is needed to meet the specs needing for MOSS and/or Z1.