No leslie effect on organ combis

SwissArmyKnife · Post by **SwissArmyKnife** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:57 pm

Hey all,

Whenever I build a combi from scratch that uses a rock organ program, I lose the ability to kick on the leslie effect with the joystick. But for the preset combis that use rock organ, the effect always works fine.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks tons in advance!

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:18 pm

SwissArmyKnife wrote:Hey all,

Whenever I build a combi from scratch that uses a rock organ program, I lose the ability to kick on the leslie effect with the joystick. But for the preset combis that use rock organ, the effect always works fine.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks tons in advance!

Are you sure you also copied the insert effects and you reroute the program timbres to the leslie effect?

SwissArmyKnife · Post by **SwissArmyKnife** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:43 pm

Actually, I probably didn't. And that's a problem. Your response prompted me to learn how to copy a program properly into a combi, so I should be able to solve that now. Thanks.

Can you (or anyone else) tell me ...

There are some songs for which I need, say, a keyboard sound (like an acoustic piano or Rhodes) for most of the song, but a rock organ for a quick solo. I want all the effects for each -- that is, two completely different sets of IFX -- on the same combi. Typically, it would be handy to just split the keyboard and have the organ solo higher up the board, above the range I need for piano.

So ... can I have more than one program, each with its complete IFX chain, in a single combi? If so, how? Is it a matter of using separate Karma modules?

(For the record, I have purchased the three-month subscription to the House 101 videos to learn better how to use Karma. However, it's taking me awhile to get through it. For one thing, I've been working a lot. For another, I don't do that kind of music, so it's sometimes hard to sit through and follow along. What I mean to say is ... the help you guys have given me has been invaluable, and I THANK you for it!)

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:50 pm

You can't quite do it that way, no.

The 5IFX, 2 MFX, and 1TFX represents the total effects processing power of the M3 or M50.

When you want to start getting into complicated setups and if you're working on your own songs in song mode, you'll find that you have to make stategic compromises - subtler or less important effects can be dropped to make way for others. Quite often in a preset sound some effects are turned off entirely until turned on by a switch.
Other times you may just want to change it around - a program that has phaser on you might find works better with a flanger for the particular song you're working on, etc.

SwissArmyKnife · Post by **SwissArmyKnife** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:07 pm

X-Trade wrote:You can't quite do it that way, no.

The 5IFX, 2 MFX, and 1TFX represents the total effects processing power of the M3 or M50.

When you want to start getting into complicated setups and if you're working on your own songs in song mode, you'll find that you have to make stategic compromises - subtler or less important effects can be dropped to make way for others. Quite often in a preset sound some effects are turned off entirely until turned on by a switch.
Other times you may just want to change it around - a program that has phaser on you might find works better with a flanger for the particular song you're working on, etc.

Thanks. That's kind of what I thought, and it's what I've been doing so far. Sometimes a fella just wants to know if he's doing all he can.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:32 pm

So basically you create a chain with, say, two important IFX from the original program. You can actually copy individual IFX slots from a program in the IFX screen of the combi. Select source and destination. If it's a chain of two or more fx, make sure they are linked by ticking the box. Then in the next slots you can put two or three IFX from the other program you want to use. Lastly, on the "routing" tab of the IFX page, you select where each timbre goes.

Example; piano with eq and chorus on track one, rock organ with leslie, overdrive, eq on track two;
Copy eq from piano program to ifx slot 1, copy chorus from piano program to ifx slot 2. Make sure 1 and 2 are linked.
Copy leslie from rock organ program to ifx slot 3, overdrive to 4, eq to 5. Make sure they are linked in a chain too. Also make sure the chain doesn't link slot 2 (piano eq) to slot 3 (organ leslie).
Now in the routing tab, set the output of track/timbre 1 (piano) to IFX1. It now goes into the chain at the eq and comes out at the chorus.
Set the output of track/timbre 2 (organ) to IFX3. It will now skip the first two slots (intended for the piano) and go straight into the Leslie, through the overdrive and out at the EQ.

Master FX are similar in this respect, though usually in a combi you need at least a reverb so if the program's MFX are very spectacular you may have to compromise. You set the level for each program either at the routing page (if it outputs straight to the L/R bus) or at wherever the sound exits its IFX chain (at the above example it should show up to the right of IFX slot 2 for the piano and to the right of IFX slot 5 for the organ).

Hope I'm not confusing you even more, but you seem to be heading in the right direction already. Korg FX routing is very flexible and also logical, but it can be a little overwhelming at first. It helps if you learn more about mixers too, actually.

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