How can you use Kronos Sequencer, then export to Cubase?

[Matthomas]

Whats best way to use Kronos Sequencer first, and to import its tracks to Cubase?

Cubase and Kronos Sequencer - using both for their strengths
- record on Kronos initial tracks - import into Cubase for additional work and tracks

There are many tools in Cubase to record a song, edit and thousands of plugins for EQ, reverb and effects, Wave editor, etc.

Cubase and Kronos Sequencer: whats the best way?
Cubase will import Wave files.

One method - long way - maybe there is shorter method?
- mute one track at a time, play song, sample to Wave, save
- repeat for each track
- now you have separate wave files for each track to import to Cubase

Any better suggestions to help speed up this process?

thanks - Mat

[bigrobuk]

Hi there on my last song although I used logic pro 9 it works the same.
I done a midi link and recorded each track at a time muting the other channels in the Kronos SEQ it does take a little time but that way you can re- the kronos and still have all the tracks you started with..

not sure if this helps or not sorry

[QuiRobinez]

wouldn't it be much easier to use the standard midi format for this?

the steps then would be:
- record a track on the kronos sequencer
- save that track on the kronos to a standard midi file SMF)
- load that track in cubase and select the song on the kronos and play the midi parts from cubase.

[bigrobuk]

wouldn't it be much easier to use the standard midi format for this?

the steps then would be:
- record a track on the kronos sequencer
- save that track on the kronos to a standard midi file SMF)
- load that track in cubase and select the song on the kronos and play the midi parts from cubase.

I think it depends on if he wants the midi note data or the audio data. but Great call dude

[QuiRobinez]

wouldn't it be much easier to use the standard midi format for this?

the steps then would be:
- record a track on the kronos sequencer
- save that track on the kronos to a standard midi file SMF)
- load that track in cubase and select the song on the kronos and play the midi parts from cubase.

I think it depends on if he wants the midi note data or the audio data. but Great call dude

true,

i always work with midi data because all hardware synths have their own channels in cubase and are merged realtime with the external FX and VSTi's and VST FX during the render phase of the track. It gives me more flexibility to change tracks if needed.

But indeed, if you only work with audio, then you have to render each track seperately to keep full control of each part.

[bigrobuk]

wouldn't it be much easier to use the standard midi format for this?

the steps then would be:
- record a track on the kronos sequencer
- save that track on the kronos to a standard midi file SMF)
- load that track in cubase and select the song on the kronos and play the midi parts from cubase.

I think it depends on if he wants the midi note data or the audio data. but Great call dude

true,

i always work with midi data because all hardware synths have their own channels in cubase and are merged realtime with the external FX and VSTi's and VST FX during the render phase of the track. It gives me more flexibility to change tracks if needed.

But indeed, if you only work with audio, then you have to render each track seperately to keep full control of each part.

I think I need to try out saving as a midi file on the Kronos and open it in logic, see if I can't try using some sounds from Komplete 7 as I haven't used it yet lol

[QuiRobinez]

I think I need to try out saving as a midi file on the Kronos and open it in logic, see if I can't try using some sounds from Komplete 7 as I haven't used it yet lol

hehehe, not even battery and massive? Both are great to use in tracks together with other hardware.

but also routing one of the Kronos guitar sounds through Native Guitar Rig is also a very nice addition to your track. I'm using the stereo and 2 separate outs from the kronos for that. The stereo out are the complete sounds from the kronos including the Kronos FX and are connected to their own stereo channels in cubase. The separate outs are sounds without the fx routed to VST FX like guitar rig or ohmboyz or other VSTFX through their own ADAT channels in cubase.

The midi is from Cubase to the kronos where i use a combi or the sequencer to assign the 16 sounds from the kronos. So that i have total recall by just selecting that combi or sequencer song.

When the song is finished i press realtime render and all instruments are merged together into the master WAV file. Cubase takes care of the midi and audiolatency so everything (Software and Hardware) is always in perfect sync.

That way you can combine best of both worlds. Using the convenient things from software and combine that with the sounds from hardware and software synths and FX.

[bigrobuk]

I think I need to try out saving as a midi file on the Kronos and open it in logic, see if I can't try using some sounds from Komplete 7 as I haven't used it yet lol

hehehe, not even battery and massive? Both are great to use in tracks together with other hardware.
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it took that long to install, so I didn't get round to using it, next thing I know version 8 is out I felt ripped off, and didn't really bother with it.

I will have to give it another try, I didn't really find any tut's on youtube using it with logic....

anyhow I am not hijacking someones thread so I am sorry for that guys.....

PEACE

[Matthomas]

wouldn't it be much easier to use the standard midi format for this?

the steps then would be:
- record a track on the kronos sequencer
- save that track on the kronos to a standard midi file SMF)
- load that track in cubase and select the song on the kronos and play the midi parts from cubase.

The idea is to make the song with the Kronos sounds/Sequencer initially,
But using live mixing, changing parameters as performance part of the song.

The tracks are not midi only. If the midi file is copied to Cubase I lose all the tweaking and live performance I've done, and the song does no longer sound like it did on the Kronos.

It would be more productive for live instruments to be recorded into PC or MAC for Sequencers on PC can do much more, unlimited tracks,
1000's of effects, better EQ - 32 band 1/3 octave and parametric EQ's,
Many types of reverb from convolution reverbs, to having over 50 tracks of Audio as well as Midi.

Bands will want to record Live drums with no than one track and one mic,
I like to use 16 tracks of audio just for live percussion, and 30 - 40 tracks of 'other' analog and non midi instruments, as well as Synths and midi.

Most people are not working in Studio, where there are larger requirements for pro audio album recording where workstations can pale in comparison.

The get the most out of the Kronos workstation, audio and midi songs would have to be exported to Pro Tools or Cubase for the rest of the composition.

It should be easier to migrate separate tracks from the Kronos to PC.

Mat

[QuiRobinez]

wouldn't it be much easier to use the standard midi format for this?

the steps then would be:
- record a track on the kronos sequencer
- save that track on the kronos to a standard midi file SMF)
- load that track in cubase and select the song on the kronos and play the midi parts from cubase.

The idea is to make the song with the Kronos sounds/Sequencer initially,
But using live mixing, changing parameters as performance part of the song.

The tracks are not midi only. If the midi file is copied to Cubase I lose all the tweaking and live performance I've done, and the song does no longer sound like it did on the Kronos.

i don't really understand why this wouldn't work? Tweaking knobs and faders are also recorded, you can even change the setting on the kronos to create CC's from those tweaks, so that you have al the CC lanes in cubase connected to your track on screen.

All audio channels could be easely exported to cubase by recording them directly in cubase from the Kronos output or exporting them to WAV. And if you choose to leave those on the kronos instead of transfering them to cubase then you could just sync the sequencer to cubase and mute the midi patterns on the sequencer on the kronos. Then everything is also in sync.

Most people are not working in Studio, where there are larger requirements for pro audio album recording where workstations can pale in comparison.

The get the most out of the Kronos workstation, audio and midi songs would have to be exported to Pro Tools or Cubase for the rest of the composition.

It should be easier to migrate separate tracks from the Kronos to PC.

Mat

i still don't really see the problem. The only thing i can think of that would make your workflow better is that you can batch export the 16 channels to separate wavs on the kronos.

But when you use Cubase then it's really not that hard to transfer the channels seperately to cubase on their own track.

the way i would do it:
- set the global knob behaviour on the Kronos to CC
- save the recorded track to midi
- export the audio tracks in your sequence one by one to a separate Wav file
- import the midi file in cubase
- import the wav files in cubase
- done

everything is ready for arrangement mixing and mastering in cubase from that moment on.

But maybe i misunderstood you completely what you tried to achieve.

[Lou]

When I use the Internal Sequencer, I don't record to it, but rather "through it".
If you have your settings correct in your DAW and Kronos you can go into the your DAW and setup mirrored track/channels.
When you press record (DAW) you can lay tracks down separately or individually. You can record an entire combi and then add additional tracks.
You can add what ever plugs you want to this whole picture. I have never saved to Kronos and then transferred midi files.
I record directly from the I.S. to Logic or Live. Lately it's been a lot more in Live.

When the song is finished i press realtime render and all instruments are merged together into the master WAV file.
Cubase takes care of the midi and audiolatency so everything (Software and Hardware) is always in perfect sync.

I use the same method, big time saver and flawless end result.

The process works seamlessly, but it all comes down to and I can't stress this enough .. "Proper Settings in Both"

[Matthomas]

Well thought out responses - Thanks to everyone.
There are some very good ideas posted here. I'd like to thank everyone for the suggestions and comments.

Many people play in a Band, and you need to record many REAL instruments that are not Keyboards or Midi gear. Drums, voice, live guitars,etc.

There is only two inputs on the Kronos, it could never capture the audio from a real Band with all its instruments. Kronos needs to integrate well
with PC/Mac sequencers because they CAN capture the whole Band.

I have 24 analog inputs on my PC for recording the whole Band,
and the keyboards are only a small part of most Bands.

The Wave editors on PC/MAC's is very good for modifying the audio tracks either one by one or grouped. Fine grained control over everything is important. I will consider all the responses and post later what seems to work the best and is the least effort to do.

my music is listed as JAMBODHI
My first three songs with the Kronos 88 key model, now upgraded to 3.25 Gigs of Ram and 120 Gig SSD drive from Patriot (550 Iops/read and write)

http://www.reverbnation.com/jambodhi


Thank you Korg Users! - Mat Thomas of Jambodhi