insert FX in prog. but not combi? really?

bootz42 · Post by **bootz42** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:21 pm

Anyone have some thoughts on this? I am putting a combi together and really need the leslie type organ in a certain zone. I noticed though, as with all transfers into the combi mode that tones are changed. Usually though I can route some insert FX to just get that sound to sound fairly close to the prog. tone.

it seems though the insert FX category option "Double Size" with the 096 rotary speaker effect is not an option in the combi mode...

is there a way to have a leslie type, rotary speaker sound on a tone in combi mode? I find it odd that they would have this option in the prog mode and not the combi mode. they seem to have all the other category options why not "double size"

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:04 pm

Bootz,

The double size (#90) includes distortion - if you don't need to use overdrive distortion you can get a clean rotary speaker as a single effect.

Leslie (only) is IFX #40.

BTW: this is where the tube "warmth" can come in handy replacing the distortion... on the other hand it adds it to everything.

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X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:40 pm

Also some combinations of effects in a combi can be reduced to the 'dual mono' FX chain options where you don't need stereo sound or as much modulation options.

bootz42 · Post by **bootz42** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:48 pm

thanks, That moved me closer. the tube idea would work if I could set the realtime controls and toggle it on only when I play that specific zone. My extra problem is the composition is somewhat demanding in that I am playing guitar with my left hand while my right hand does these punches on the keys against punches that feet are doing on a pedal board.

Other wise I would use my left hand to just press the button.. can a trigger pedal be hooked up to the triton to toggle the valve force on and off? that would be a neat trick. I can work with the #40 rot. spkr.

thanks for your time.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:15 pm

Boots,

You can use velocity as a modulation source so that the tube would become active or dominant only at velocities of ~120+ - that way you'd only have it on the "stabbed" (presumably loud) parts. Softer play would not trigger the tube.

Away from my board now... Is tube link-able to one or the other of the master FX? If so, then you could do "only on organ" with the correct balance routing from the insert FX section.

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SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:29 pm

As far as I know, the double size effects are available. You're probably trying to put them in slot 1. But they go in slot 2 and on. Good luck!

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:28 am

Double-size FX do need two consecutive slots but AFAIK are not restricted as far as slot #1 vs others. But you can't wedge a double into a single slot, even if other slots are available if the next slot is blocked by an existing effect -- this is most important when you use an existing combi as a template for your new combi.

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bootz42 · Post by **bootz42** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:24 am

Velocity, great thinking, though my ignorance is showing. I looked for a way to assign the valve force to one of the oscillators and then I was going to set that oscillator zone so the bottom setting was around 80 or 90 ish. I was doing it in program mode, but obviously I'm either close or really just thinking about this the wrong way.

In combi mode I can set the bottom velocity on P4, but I couldn't find where I would assign the tube to that velocity range.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:22 am

billbaker wrote:Double-size FX do need two consecutive slots but AFAIK are not restricted as far as slot #1 vs others. But you can't wedge a double into a single slot, even if other slots are available if the next slot is blocked by an existing effect -- this is most important when you use an existing combi as a template for your new combi.

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I'm pretty sure the doubles don't show in slot 1. You have to in slot 2. It's not entirely intuitive. Everybody seems to be suggesting alternatives to using doubles, which is fine especially when trying to save slots in a combi. But the original stated problem by the OP is that he thinks the double size fx are not available in combi mode. That's simply not true; they just don't show up for slot 1.

bootz42 · Post by **bootz42** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:55 pm

If you are referring to each insert as a slot. i went back into combi mode and I see doubles in slot(insert) 2-3-4 but not in 1 or 5. I happen to be doing this in slot(insert) 5, so didn't see it as an option

So, it seems then, I could get my original sound with the rotary OD by swapping with another tone, thus using a different insert. Now I assume the moment I change effects I loose the current settings.... pencil and paper in hand to write down settings unless I find a copy/paste function for effects settings.... I'll play with this..

thanks for your time and the open cogitation, this has been much more productive than my conversation with my cats..

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:07 pm

If you haven't tweaked the desired combi FX from what they're set up as for program I believe there's a Copy FX in the pull-down menu that will let you lift FX with the settings intact from the program to a combi - just need to make sure there's room and check that the copied effect is going to the right slot.

Alternatively, save what you've done so far into a second combi destination and you won't have to overwrite the current work... if you hack the second to death or accidentally blow FX assignments you've got your current combi as a fall back.

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