Hi Dennis !
A little add-on: I can't find any expense in this because ALL programs I am
using is for FREE, so this cost me nothing but some hard brain-work.
And I have a smooth working program that I am very pleased with.
Regards Tom T
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Yeah well you would hardly call $2.99 for the UB app any great expense, would you???
And the PAsCO editor is free....so what I am using is pretty much free as well, and if you don't mind me saying is quite superior to the one you are using, not to mention far more flexible in operation...but if you are happy with it, that is all that matters
Maybe you should post your program for all to see and evaluate? Not that I want it, it is way too "locked down" and restrictive in HOW it works for real world use...You must have EXCEPTIONAL velocity control...what if you went one tick over the limit in your playing style, can happen you know when playing live...means your system would turn a page even when it was not time to
And having the velocity controls so wound down so that did NOT ahppen, would restrict FULL expressive playing...okay if you are used to an accordion I suppose!! Which has NO velocity control on the actual keys.
Using an Airturn Bluetooth pedal, means using UB and the Korg is also just as hands free!!! Plus it puts me in TOTAL control of what I want displayed at ANY time!!
I am not trying to downgrade what you are using at all, and kudos for thinking it up and doing it, but nah, way to many possible live play "snag points" I reckon, but keep on enjoying it though
And the PAsCO editor is free....so what I am using is pretty much free as well, and if you don't mind me saying is quite superior to the one you are using, not to mention far more flexible in operation...but if you are happy with it, that is all that matters
Maybe you should post your program for all to see and evaluate? Not that I want it, it is way too "locked down" and restrictive in HOW it works for real world use...You must have EXCEPTIONAL velocity control...what if you went one tick over the limit in your playing style, can happen you know when playing live...means your system would turn a page even when it was not time to
And having the velocity controls so wound down so that did NOT ahppen, would restrict FULL expressive playing...okay if you are used to an accordion I suppose!! Which has NO velocity control on the actual keys.
Using an Airturn Bluetooth pedal, means using UB and the Korg is also just as hands free!!! Plus it puts me in TOTAL control of what I want displayed at ANY time!!
I am not trying to downgrade what you are using at all, and kudos for thinking it up and doing it, but nah, way to many possible live play "snag points" I reckon, but keep on enjoying it though
So, I understand that PAsCO is a midi editor ? When you say create midi, you are talking about a midi CC# message containing the SongBook location of every song in Korg Pa ? How hard/easy is to accomplish that ? I never worked with this kind of stuff, but I want to do it because the results are brilliant. Would it be too much if I ask you another brief tutorial about programming a text from IPad to trigger a SongBook entry ?miden wrote:GXG,
Unrealbook and the iPad is the easiest way to do it, as UB is a really cool app to use. As I have said it can be done on a PC/laptop using the Music Reader program, but it is too slow, buggy EXPENSIVE, and the screen res on laptops is NOTHING compared to the iPad screen res!!
All that you do is create the midi ( I use the PAsCO app I linked to above) makes it really easy... Just name the midi the same name as the chart and upload it into the UB directory using iTunes (or Dropbox if you are wireless)
That's it...UB does the rest...
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Hi Dennis
I am not that restricted as you believe, I have at least 4 option for page-change in my program: I have mentioned velocity but I can as well use the variation buttons on the Pa2XPro or I can push a button on the touchscreen
on my tablet PC or I can use a programmed midi pedal.
Isn't that flexibility or not?
Regards Tom T
I am not that restricted as you believe, I have at least 4 option for page-change in my program: I have mentioned velocity but I can as well use the variation buttons on the Pa2XPro or I can push a button on the touchscreen
on my tablet PC or I can use a programmed midi pedal.
Isn't that flexibility or not?
Regards Tom T
[quote="GXG"
So, I understand that PAsCO is a midi editor ? When you say create midi, you are talking about a midi CC# message containing the SongBook location of every song in Korg Pa ? How hard/easy is to accomplish that ? I never worked with this kind of stuff, but I want to do it because the results are brilliant. Would it be too much if I ask you another brief tutorial about programming a text from IPad to trigger a SongBook entry ?[/quote]
Hi GXG,
All PAsCO does, is automate the process of manually creating the midi data header file, which contains the CC messages 99,98 Data CC 6 which contains the actual MIDI data for the Songbook number, digits, 10,s hundreds , 1000s..
Okay, so the whole process is (and this assumes you own the UB app, have iTunes installed, have the Songbook setup created on the PA and have the PAsCO editor)
Oh and this can be in any order - I have just numbered it for clarity of reading :
1. Get your PDF, either download (make sure you pay for it!!) or create your own (free and legal if you use your own transcribed charts, or you scan purchased music books/charts).
2. Open PAsCO, and enter the Songbook listing [NUMBER only] where indicated in PAsCO.
click save - Now a couple of points here - You can save it to whatever name you want, as using this method is ONLY reliant on the actual Songbook number, NOT the Songbook name, but it MUST be exactly the same name as the UB PDF file name, whatever that is including upper and lower case matching as well.
I do recommend making them all the same!! Store this little midi file created, to a folder on your PC.
3. Open iTunes, and scroll to your UB app and select it, this one open the UB data folder on the iPad.
4. Drag and drop the PDF file into the UB directory , and then also drag and drop the PAsCO midi file into the same directory. You cannot go wrong as there IS only one directory available!!!
That's it. Assuming you have the Control channel set on the PA (oh and this can be any channel by the way, I just chose 16!!), simply connect the iPad via the iRig midi I use, or even just the Apple Camera Connection kit USB adaptor for any standard midi interface.....select the song in UB and there you have it.
UB also has terrific multiple songlist creation and genre editing, theres an advanced saving and searching feature...you can annotate all your scores , you can create "HotSpots" which are simply areas of the chart you can get UB to jump back, or forward to , simply by tapping the screen, or footpedal...
You can even live download new charts from the internet using Dropbox - and even whilst playing at a gig if there is a WI-FI hotspot, or your iPad has 3g/4g!!!!
There are lots more features in UB, too many to write here - just visit the app store to check it out!!
Hope that helps some!!
So, I understand that PAsCO is a midi editor ? When you say create midi, you are talking about a midi CC# message containing the SongBook location of every song in Korg Pa ? How hard/easy is to accomplish that ? I never worked with this kind of stuff, but I want to do it because the results are brilliant. Would it be too much if I ask you another brief tutorial about programming a text from IPad to trigger a SongBook entry ?[/quote]
Hi GXG,
All PAsCO does, is automate the process of manually creating the midi data header file, which contains the CC messages 99,98 Data CC 6 which contains the actual MIDI data for the Songbook number, digits, 10,s hundreds , 1000s..
Okay, so the whole process is (and this assumes you own the UB app, have iTunes installed, have the Songbook setup created on the PA and have the PAsCO editor)
Oh and this can be in any order - I have just numbered it for clarity of reading :
1. Get your PDF, either download (make sure you pay for it!!) or create your own (free and legal if you use your own transcribed charts, or you scan purchased music books/charts).
2. Open PAsCO, and enter the Songbook listing [NUMBER only] where indicated in PAsCO.
click save - Now a couple of points here - You can save it to whatever name you want, as using this method is ONLY reliant on the actual Songbook number, NOT the Songbook name, but it MUST be exactly the same name as the UB PDF file name, whatever that is including upper and lower case matching as well.
I do recommend making them all the same!! Store this little midi file created, to a folder on your PC.
3. Open iTunes, and scroll to your UB app and select it, this one open the UB data folder on the iPad.
4. Drag and drop the PDF file into the UB directory , and then also drag and drop the PAsCO midi file into the same directory. You cannot go wrong as there IS only one directory available!!!
That's it. Assuming you have the Control channel set on the PA (oh and this can be any channel by the way, I just chose 16!!), simply connect the iPad via the iRig midi I use, or even just the Apple Camera Connection kit USB adaptor for any standard midi interface.....select the song in UB and there you have it.
UB also has terrific multiple songlist creation and genre editing, theres an advanced saving and searching feature...you can annotate all your scores , you can create "HotSpots" which are simply areas of the chart you can get UB to jump back, or forward to , simply by tapping the screen, or footpedal...
You can even live download new charts from the internet using Dropbox - and even whilst playing at a gig if there is a WI-FI hotspot, or your iPad has 3g/4g!!!!
There are lots more features in UB, too many to write here - just visit the app store to check it out!!
Hope that helps some!!
Hey Tom, no probs m8, whatever works for you is cool!!kisse2katt wrote:Hi Dennis
I am not that restricted as you believe, I have at least 4 option for page-change in my program: I have mentioned velocity but I can as well use the variation buttons on the Pa2XPro or I can push a button on the touchscreen
on my tablet PC or I can use a programmed midi pedal.
Isn't that flexibility or not?
Regards Tom T
Guys!
You are both officially GENIUSES!!!!
QUESTION:
I have been using a Tablet for Song Charts on stage for a loooong time now, (1st an HP Tablet PC, now an iPad)
Is it possible to -
a) Load Midi Files/MP3 Files from the HD - NOT from the Songbook
b) Use Word Docs - NOT PDF's
Waddya think?
P.S. If anyone can show me a way to do this, you WIN errr... my eternal Gratitude.....
You are both officially GENIUSES!!!!
QUESTION:
I have been using a Tablet for Song Charts on stage for a loooong time now, (1st an HP Tablet PC, now an iPad)
Is it possible to -
a) Load Midi Files/MP3 Files from the HD - NOT from the Songbook
b) Use Word Docs - NOT PDF's
Waddya think?
P.S. If anyone can show me a way to do this, you WIN errr... my eternal Gratitude.....
Just pretend I've written something funny, yet wise and ironic here...
Hi HB,hellboy44 wrote:Guys!
You are both officially GENIUSES!!!!
QUESTION:
I have been using a Tablet for Song Charts on stage for a loooong time now, (1st an HP Tablet PC, now an iPad)
Is it possible to -
a) Load Midi Files/MP3 Files from the HD - NOT from the Songbook
b) Use Word Docs - NOT PDF's
Waddya think?
P.S. If anyone can show me a way to do this, you WIN errr... my eternal Gratitude.....
None of the PDF readers available for iPad will load and play "Full" midis. It works with this method as there is no "clocking" or timing required, and no sequencer as such as the midi data is sent out on an initial "pulse" only.
You can however directly link and load MP3's certainly with UB uisng the iPad, and a few but not all of the others.
As for using word files, I do not know of any chart readers, that have playlist and other capabilities that do that...there is one called OnSong that might...it actually can load and use the old "chopro" format files...
Do you remember those? The line of lyric with the chord name along the line above?? Coem to think of it Onsong does load a doc type file....It won't load a midi though...but it WILL load an mp3
If it would load a midi, I would possibly be using it as it (OnSong) has a few things going for it that UB does not. But again, it is ONLY for iPad.
The Music Reader app for windows, and for use on laptops or W7 tablets, DOES load full midis, and MP3's and these can be linked to the chart. But it is only PDF...
HB, if you are using .doc files why not use a free Windows app like PDF Creator and pdf's instead? It is as simple as clicking on your doc file and selecting "print" when the print dialogue comes up just select the PDF Creator "printer", and print!! Bingo - PDF file. Exact duplicate of your .doc file, except in PDF format....
It would certainly increase your viewing options by a big margin!!!
Dennis
Hi Tom,kisse2katt wrote:Hi Dennis
I am not that restricted as you believe, I have at least 4 option for page-change in my program: I have mentioned velocity but I can as well use the variation buttons on the Pa2XPro or I can push a button on the touchscreen
on my tablet PC or I can use a programmed midi pedal.
Isn't that flexibility or not?
Regards Tom T
I wonder if you would be so kind as to forward me details of your system for use on a PC.....via PM or email is fine...You may not be aware but I am co-ordinating and evaluating software for the OSL project http://www.openstudiolive.com/
I might be interested in what you have developed. I have sent you a PM with further details and info, could you possibly check that when you get a chance....
Cheers
Dennis
Hey Dennis, thanks for the info!
The biggest problem for me using PDF's are twofold:
1. They take up more room than a Word Doc (and aren't QUITE as easily Editable to my satisfaction)
2. We have 500 + songs (and counting!) so it's a BIG job converting the files over (over 500 speaks to the "room" involved mentioned above).
Strange how not ONE single Program let's you use the Word Format - arguably one of the most Popular WP formats....
The biggest problem for me using PDF's are twofold:
1. They take up more room than a Word Doc (and aren't QUITE as easily Editable to my satisfaction)
2. We have 500 + songs (and counting!) so it's a BIG job converting the files over (over 500 speaks to the "room" involved mentioned above).
Strange how not ONE single Program let's you use the Word Format - arguably one of the most Popular WP formats....
Just pretend I've written something funny, yet wise and ironic here...
HB, as I said conversion is as simple as printing it to file on your pc using PDF Printer...
So there is really no conversion work to be done....and the PDF printer will print any document to a PDF!!!
Simply open the doc file go to file, print, select the PDF printer and then print...thats it, PDF charts are not all that big in size..for example one library I have has just on 600 pdf charts and comes in at only 240mb
Dennis
So there is really no conversion work to be done....and the PDF printer will print any document to a PDF!!!
Simply open the doc file go to file, print, select the PDF printer and then print...thats it, PDF charts are not all that big in size..for example one library I have has just on 600 pdf charts and comes in at only 240mb
Dennis
Sure m8, here it is...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcrea ... t/download
The link for PAsCO is earlier in this thread somewhere
Cheers
Not sure if this one comes in Mac flavours, but it is the one I use as it is so good, and SOOOO cheap
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcrea ... t/download
The link for PAsCO is earlier in this thread somewhere
Cheers
Not sure if this one comes in Mac flavours, but it is the one I use as it is so good, and SOOOO cheap
Can you post again that link, please ? I looked around but didn't find any link to PAsCO editor, even searched the web for it and no good result.miden wrote:Sure m8, here it is...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcrea ... t/download
The link for PAsCO is earlier in this thread somewhere
Cheers
Not sure if this one comes in Mac flavours, but it is the one I use as it is so good, and SOOOO cheap