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Kronos-related: Stage/Live monitoring-Behringer review

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This IS Kronos related, as we've been talking about live applications of Kronos in this forum...... this is a further extension to this theme.

I've just ordered my ACS T1s, and have been looking for a while at how I was going to run these IEMs. I'd looked at Behringer's Personal Mixing system, but there were no release dates.

Well, much to my surprise, my speculative order for the new Behringer P16I and P16M arrived yesterday.

For those who don't know, this system is a audio-over-cat5 monitoring system that connects to the "outs" of the Front of House console, converts the multi-channel audio into digital and sends it down a cat5/ethernet cable to a daisy-chained array of personal mixers - ideally one per musician. The musician can then mix their own monitors (either/or both IEMs and wedges)

It is designed to be Behringer's "answer" to the highly respected (and costly) Aviom personal monitoring system.

As a performing musician, I've been looking for a system like this, but couldn't justify the expense of the fantastic Aviom.

The concept of a Behringer device that did the same for a fraction of the cost was appealing..... but approached with some caution, as it could be argued that there are many items from this company that haven't met expectations.

I have to admit that I have been one of these cautious people. I've had quality issues with several bits of kit and I had my doubts that this new offering would be able to stand the perils of the live environment.......


To cut to the chase: I'm impressed. Rather than gush in, let me explain why:

The system predominantly comprises of

P16-I: this is the rackmounted interface
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Looking at the front first, you're greeted with a 16 channel input array. Toggle switches are utilised per channel. There are 4 settings of +22dBu, +4dBu, 0dBu & -10dBv.
They work as selectable gain structure.

What is intriguing is that ADAT audio is available (up to 16 channels) - you can combine both analogue and digital inputs.

There are initially 6 ethernet ports to output the resulting signals to the P16Ms. Further devices (up to 48!) can be added through the use of the Behringer P16D (an ethernet switch)
Turning to the rear, it is nice to see that there is an IEC connector, rather than a wall-wart.
There are 16 x 1/4" inputs (balanced) and 2 x ADAT lightpipe inputs.
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The build quality of the rack is VERY good - sturdy. No buttons are shaky or loose.

The CAT5 cable to connect the FOH to stage isn't very long (about 15m), but I don't think it's designed for "pro" environment. I'll be making a longer one with sturdy connectors (neutrik)

P16-M: this is the mountable personal mixer. (an additional clamp is available to attach to a mic stand, for example)

The downside? Wall-wart PSU :(
The rest is very simple to use:
16 "channel" select buttons with red select leds, and green activity leds.
Each channel is selectable, EQ (low, sweepable mid and high) and limiter is available, along with the usual mixer functions of mute, solo and pan.
Personally I found the EQ very weak indeed - you turn the controls and very little happens! :D

There is a main (mix) function as well, employing the same functions.

There is also a group function - which is brilliant. It works just like grouping on any mixer or even DAW. Press the group button, and press the channel buttons you want in that group - they highlight a solid red.
Selection of any of the channels in that group will result in the whole group being changed - for example, a "drum" group comprising of 8 channels (kick ,snare, hat etc etc), one of the channels will control the entire volume. Solo and mute also apply as well.

The presets of groups can also be stored in internal memories.

All the controls are MIDI-mappable too - so users of BCF/BCR2000 have better accessibility options.

I have to admit that the feel of this type of item is where Behringer's quality has always fallen short. Not the case this time around - it is very rugged and sturdy. You get a "feeling" that it would withstand a good beating!

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The rear is a simple affair. Wall wart!! BOOOOO!!!!!!
Cat5 input and thru.
MIDI IN for external control - going to try and set this up with my Kronos....

Audio (Line) Out L&R - for connection to wedges, IEM transmitter packs.

Headphone out - suitable for IEM output.

All outputs are available at the same time.

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So, how does it sound? IMHO, very good. Aside from the EQ which doesn't sound good or bad - as it doesn't do very much!! :D
My Kronos sounds as clear as it does through my studio - which is a relief!!

There's plenty of space under the channel selectors for say, a P-Touch generated label - certainly not big enough for the usual masking/scotch tape.


So where's the catch?

It boasts low latency of under 1mS.....
Built VERY sturdily
Easy to use.
Does what it says on the tin.
CHEAP - UK prices are
P16I - £167 ($267)
P16M - £138 ($220)
P16D - £107 ($171)

Downside?
The P16m is wall-wart powered.
ineffective EQ.

Got to admit - Behringer COULD be on to something with this, as on the surface, if you're after (and able to use) a personal monitoring system, I would certainly look at this.
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Post by CaptLego »

Thanks for the review. I found it interesting, even though I have no immediate need for such a gizmo.

It may be Kronos-related, but it's not Kronos-specific. This would be equally interesting for any keyboard, guitar, or drum player or vocalist, for that matter. You should consider moving this thread to a place where it will get a broader audience.
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Re: Kronos-related: Stage/Live monitoring-Behringer review

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ScoobyDoo555 wrote:The concept of a Behringer device that did the same for a fraction of the cost was appealing..... but approached with some caution, as it could be argued that there are many items from this company that haven't met expectations.

I have to admit that I have been one of these cautious people. I've had quality issues with several bits of kit and I had my doubts that this new offering would be able to stand the perils of the live environment.......
I use a Mackie mixer in my home studio, and a cheap Behringer mixer at my other location. The Mackie is top notch (goes without saying). The Behringer is allright... its about 12 years old and still going strong. My repair guy tells me to stay away from Behringer (from a repair perspective) as he states its almost impossible to get schematics and certain parts from Behringer, and that Behringer copied a lot of Mackie's stuff (I think one of the main guys used to work for Mackie).

My take on this is that Behringer produces some decent gear at a very affordable price. If the rest of their stuff is as solid and lasts as long as my cheap mixer, then I view it as having great gear at a low price that you can plan on discarding if/when it breaks.
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Re: Kronos-related: Stage/Live monitoring-Behringer review

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ScoobyDoo555 wrote:This IS Kronos related, as we've been talking about live applications of Kronos in this forum...... this is a further extension to this theme.
Thanks for putting this review together - very helpful!
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Post by amosdef »

Thanks for the review. I stopped checking to see when this was going to be released. I'm definitely going to pick a set up as it would be very useful for my IEM setup. The avioms are just too expensive, as nice as they are so I was very excited to hear about this. Glad it's finally available.
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