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.Jens wrote:Again, I have to add one more item to the wish list...

The assignment of the external foot switches / pedals should be changeable per program / combi (maybe with the option to use a global setting, like with the audio inputs).

For some songs it would be nice to tap the tempo, for other programs I need a KARMA switch on the floor, or the possibility to send a "program up" oder "down".

I know that in many cases MIDI CCs would be a solution, but not for all (like tap tempo). Things like "program up" in a verse combi and "program down" in the adjacent chorus combi (to switch back and forth with the same FS) are also difficult to impossible using MIDI CCs.
I agree to this. Setting foot switches/pedals functions would cost only a very small space in the PCG file/RAM memory.

Also CCs for program up AND program down and maybe other functions would be very helpful.

Also using controllers to be set to a certain MIDI channel (or maybe multiple simultenously) would be appreciated.
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Hi


I need the possibility to use sequencer mode in live gigs, give a look at this topic :

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=70068

When I am in Combi mode I neet to start the sequencer....because in Sequencer mode the keyboard (as I understand) trasmit only on one midi channel.

I dont't see any other use of the sequencer mode, at home I use a PC so I need it only in live gigs!

Please il someone have some ideas...

thank you

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michelkeijzers wrote:
.Jens wrote:Again, I have to add one more item to the wish list...

The assignment of the external foot switches / pedals should be changeable per program / combi (maybe with the option to use a global setting, like with the audio inputs).

For some songs it would be nice to tap the tempo, for other programs I need a KARMA switch on the floor, or the possibility to send a "program up" oder "down".

I know that in many cases MIDI CCs would be a solution, but not for all (like tap tempo). Things like "program up" in a verse combi and "program down" in the adjacent chorus combi (to switch back and forth with the same FS) are also difficult to impossible using MIDI CCs.
I agree to this. Setting foot switches/pedals functions would cost only a very small space in the PCG file/RAM memory.

Also CCs for program up AND program down and maybe other functions would be very helpful.

Also using controllers to be set to a certain MIDI channel (or maybe multiple simultenously) would be appreciated.
+1 !!
Pad trigger, Song Start/Stop, Tab Tempo.... in Studio you have all the time of the world to do one after the other, but I thought it should be basically a live-gear!? I cannot go into global settings every new song! what the hell the designer thought?

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sumsi05 wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote:
.Jens wrote:Again, I have to add one more item to the wish list...

The assignment of the external foot switches / pedals should be changeable per program / combi (maybe with the option to use a global setting, like with the audio inputs).

For some songs it would be nice to tap the tempo, for other programs I need a KARMA switch on the floor, or the possibility to send a "program up" oder "down".

I know that in many cases MIDI CCs would be a solution, but not for all (like tap tempo). Things like "program up" in a verse combi and "program down" in the adjacent chorus combi (to switch back and forth with the same FS) are also difficult to impossible using MIDI CCs.
I agree to this. Setting foot switches/pedals functions would cost only a very small space in the PCG file/RAM memory.

Also CCs for program up AND program down and maybe other functions would be very helpful.

Also using controllers to be set to a certain MIDI channel (or maybe multiple simultenously) would be appreciated.
+1 !!
Pad trigger, Song Start/Stop, Tab Tempo.... in Studio you have all the time of the world to do one after the other, but I thought it should be basically a live-gear!? I cannot go into global settings every new song! what the hell the designer thought?

Regards
Peter
Every parameter that is not stored per program but in global saves memory. Let's say you want to store 100 parameters extra per program. That is 100 bytes * (128 programs + 128 combis) * 24 banks = 614.4 KB.
Conclusion: this cannot be the reason.

However, I think the MIDI CC list is the problem. MIDI is a very old communication protocol and there are afaik only 256 CC number from where a lot are already predefined.

And changing the MIDI protocol is practically impossible without conscent of the other companies.

Does anybody know if it would fit in the CC list somewhere? Something like CC <special> <list> where special function can be e.g.:
0 program up
1 program down
2 tap tempo <value>
3 song start
4 song stop
5 pad trigger <pad> <intensity>
...
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michelkeijzers wrote: ...
However, I think the MIDI CC list is the problem. MIDI is a very old communication protocol and there are afaik only 256 CC number from where a lot are already predefined.

And changing the MIDI protocol is practically impossible without conscent of the other companies.

Does anybody know if it would fit in the CC list somewhere? Something like CC <special> <list> where special function can be e.g.:
0 program up
1 program down
2 tap tempo <value>
3 song start
4 song stop
5 pad trigger <pad> <intensity>
...
AFAIK theres even only 127 CC Numbers. Please compare:
http://en.wikiaudio.org/MIDI:Control_ch ... ssage_list

Additional Controller would fit in the list, but they would have to be implemented into the instruments firmware to work.
I would love the to have especially the Prg up/down function as well, but this doesn´t work unfortunately.
Had a posting about this over at karma-lab and answers from danatkorg a couple of years ago concerning the Oasys...
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markn wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote: ...
However, I think the MIDI CC list is the problem. MIDI is a very old communication protocol and there are afaik only 256 CC number from where a lot are already predefined.

And changing the MIDI protocol is practically impossible without conscent of the other companies.

Does anybody know if it would fit in the CC list somewhere? Something like CC <special> <list> where special function can be e.g.:
0 program up
1 program down
2 tap tempo <value>
3 song start
4 song stop
5 pad trigger <pad> <intensity>
...
AFAIK theres even only 127 CC Numbers. Please compare:
http://en.wikiaudio.org/MIDI:Control_ch ... ssage_list

Additional Controller would fit in the list, but they would have to be implemented into the instruments firmware to work.
I would love the to have especially the Prg up/down function as well, but this doesn´t work unfortunately.
Had a posting about this over at karma-lab and answers from danatkorg a couple of years ago concerning the Oasys...
Yes you are right ... 127 CC ... how many of those are 'free' ?

What was the reaction of Dan?

Btw, 127 might be enough, e.g. let's say CC50 is free (just a guess). Then CC 50 00 might mean Program Up, CC 50 01 Program down, CC 50 02 TAP press, CC50 03 Song Start, CC50 04-80 for every button on the synth, etc. For functions without values you can combine them easily.
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Free are, according to the midi-specification: 20-31, 41, 85-90, 102-119
Please compare the above mentioned list.

On the Kronos most of the CC's are assigned to certain functions already, as mentioned on page 1118 of the parameter guide, please refer to this. It helped me a lot, programming my Axiom61 auxiliary-keyboard.

Actually you can assign any control change to anything on Kronos, but not everything makes sense. For example: it makes no sense to assign CC7 via AMS to filter cutoff, because it would also affect the main Volume of Kronos(therefore it's not possible to select) , or CC1(Modulation) to Portamento cause then using the Joystick would affect Mod & Portamento Time....

Concerning my old post at Karma-Lab, danatkorg stated, that Prg-up/down mmight be possible via Sysex, but he didn't know how. Stephen Kay stated, that there is no way via CC at all, because this is not specified in the midi protocol.

But, you can assign almost any controller to anything, that is selectable in AMS menues, but nothing else. You can also change Korgs existing assignments im most cases.
For other, or extended functions, the whole midi-protocol would have to be modified, which would need participation of ALL manufacterers, as you mentioned above...
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markn wrote:Free are, according to the midi-specification: 20-31, 41, 85-90, 102-119
Please compare the above mentioned list.

On the Kronos most of the CC's are assigned to certain functions already, as mentioned on page 1118 of the parameter guide, please refer to this. It helped me a lot, programming my Axiom61 auxiliary-keyboard.

Actually you can assign any control change to anything on Kronos, but not everything makes sense. For example: it makes no sense to assign CC7 via AMS to filter cutoff, because it would also affect the main Volume of Kronos(therefore it's not possible to select) , or CC1(Modulation) to Portamento cause then using the Joystick would affect Mod & Portamento Time....

Concerning my old post at Karma-Lab, danatkorg stated, that Prg-up/down mmight be possible via Sysex, but he didn't know how. Stephen Kay stated, that there is no way via CC at all, because this is not specified in the midi protocol.

But, you can assign almost any controller to anything, that is selectable in AMS menues, but nothing else. You can also change Korgs existing assignments im most cases.
For other, or extended functions, the whole midi-protocol would have to be modified, which would need participation of ALL manufacterers, as you mentioned above...
Yes I understand that a lot can be set to a CC, but not program up and program down (at least not those two functions at the same time to two different CC values (or sub valus)).
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michelkeijzers wrote: Yes I understand that a lot can be set to a CC, but not program up and program down (at least not those two functions at the same time to two different CC values (or sub valus)).
Yes Michel, no way to by now.
Here the old post over at karma-lab http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5850

I guess it would be easy to implement for Korg. Simply assign it to a vacant controller in Global Mode.
I think every Kronos user of this forum should request this 8) :lol:
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markn wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote: Yes I understand that a lot can be set to a CC, but not program up and program down (at least not those two functions at the same time to two different CC values (or sub valus)).
Yes Michel, no way to by now.
Here the old post over at karma-lab http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5850

I guess it would be easy to implement for Korg. Simply assign it to a vacant controller in Global Mode.
I think every Kronos user of this forum should request this 8) :lol:
Thanks for the Karma labs thread.
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Here's a minor bug report - I just hope that the Korg developers might read this thread once in a while:

In FX "034-Bass Amp Model + Cabinet", there are two entries for cabinet type "UK 4x15". According to the manual, the one between "Classic" and "Studio" should read "UK 4x12".

BTW: does anyone have some info beyond intelligent guessing about the amp model names and the original types? It is obvious that apart from the VOX amps, the brand names will not be given in the manual for trademark reasons. In some cases the names are quite clear, but in some other, that's not the case. E.g. "Valve and Valve2" should be Ampeg SVT PRO, but what is "SCOOPED" - Hartke, GK, ...?
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Post by cobray »

I think an hour counter like they have on boats would be nice. If you were buying a used machine you could see how much use it's had. Also, in my case, I'd like to know how much it has cost me per hour to use my Kronos.
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Akai multisamples now load perfectly with OS 1.6 and they sound great. I like the Kronos envelopes; after fine tuning all converted sounds feel great and its a joy to play them. Only one little thing is missing still:

Great wish :-) .... for the sample player engine the filters resonance of all the filters is rather "peaky" and then "thin" in nature. Typically, the Korg sounds have usually been very subtle and beautiful and to perfect sound quality I still miss some additional filter choice whose resonance has a softer. i.e smaller Q-factor (or perhaps even a variable Q-factor). This would be greatly appreciated :-)
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Direct keyboard input for programming the step sequencer - play one note then sequencer moves up a step ready for next note input etc.

I miss my old Pro-One - the sequencer was a joy to use :)
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Really would like this soon:


1. Korg Mono/Poly Sound Engine

2. Karma 3

4. Switchable full on full "ad-eternum" time background continuous (MIDI) recording (timeline searchable for copy for editing (or deleting) purposes) with assignable dedicated disk space

5. Operating system Sleep/Quick Awake function

6. Fan OFF if low temp/idle, switchable (temporary countdown) fan off for critical mic recording





Really wouldn't bother me if somewhere along the life cycle we'de get:


7. High speed optional network upgrade (network conection hardware for audio over ethernet (AoE) and dedicated (or broad) inter-networking purposes)

8. Dealer installed upgrade packs (motherboards / CPU / Disk / Mems / Chassis Changing Enhancements (monitor outputs, mouse inputs, network conection, etc), Etc.)

9. An universal API / Coding tools
9.1. (and hence) Third party DSP effects
9.2. (and therefore) Third party sound engines
9.3. (and last but not least) Tweakable UI (masks, touch flow, etc.)



And most important, now and ever:

10. Adequate RELIABILITY


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