Demo: Freaky Experiments With The Drumtrack QR

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:40 pm

blinkofanI wrote:Hey X-Trade,
Unfortunately, 16 parameters isn't nearly close to the kind of tweaks i'm talking about!! And the 16 slots selection doesn't include a lot of parameter destination. If, for example, a PROG uses frequency as the base for one of its LFO speed and i want it to be BPM-based, i don't think i can do that from the T Ajust selection... or change the LFO shape. See what i mean? But thanks anyway to suggest the T. Ajust feature.

Blink

well, actually you can come pretty close. The only thing you can't do is selecting a different LFO Waveform, but what you can do is change the shape of the selected lfo wqaveform by assigning a knob, ribbon or Joystick to it.

Then you set that phase of that waveform to a zero startpoint from that lfo waveform and for instance select an AMS source JSY- to the LFO Shape.

Then set the LFO speed synced to the BPM and select in tone control for that program on fader 1 the LFO1 speed.

Done, now when you select that program in a combi or sequence you van change the speed with Fader 1 and change the shape with turning down the joystick (which you can lock with a switch if you want that). Changing the shape can dramaticly change the LFO curve.

Now imagine if you do that for several programs in one combi or sequence. that's a lot of performance power.

It's really fun to play with, i do these kind of things all the time in my studio.

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:49 pm

Well, sorry, i didn't explained it well. I WAS talking about changing the LFO waveform when i said LFO shape!! But, anyway, you see my point guys? Even if it works, check all the steps in Qui's recommendation to change the LFO shape!! Would be way faster to access the LFO page of a PROG inside a COMBI, wouldn't it?

Blink

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:06 pm

True, there are things you can't change. But the are still a lot of things you can.

I'd consider setting up some audio-in programs to play with, where the LFO was already set (or not as the case may be) to BPM sync. I can't see it being very useful to change mid performance.

So it's not always ideal but it is certainly possible.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:13 pm

i agree, it would be nice that you could modify everything in combi or sequencer mode. However, i also agree with x-trade. In mid performance it's unlikely that you completely change things like an LFO Waveform, performance parameters are much more pointed to things like lfo shapes and speed and most of the times filter movements.

Those things can all be done in combi mode, you can even morph envelopes from one to another which is an incredible performance feature when you assign them to specific parameters for your live performance.

The way i use it that i create all those performance ready programs, and then combine them in one combi and then i can modify all the parameters that i have mapped in program mode from external buttons and faders in realtime.

So to be honest, i never miss those kind of features you would like to see available in combi mode. But i totally agree, it would be nice when they were available for the people that want to use them.

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:26 pm

Hi guys,
True for performance. I don't know what's wrong with me today, i don't seem to explain myself well...

What i had in mind is in the context of composing in COMBI mode with a DAW, where you select a new program for a new part that's almost perfect but you want to change some stuff so it fits better in your arrangement. Tone Ajust gives a good bunch of parameters to ajust relative values to what's already programmed(use it a lot for fine ajust of Env times and such). But if you need/want to go deeper, it doesn't deliver.

Just a little blues from my 01/W days, where it was possible on this machine and found it quite practical. I know nothing about the inner stuff of the K, but i suppose it doesn't require that much more CPU power since the COMBI is already accessing the program. Would just like a tunnel to access the PROG UI inside the COMBI. Anyway, thanks for trying help me

Blink

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:14 pm

Yeah I can see where you are coming from now.

However when I think about it, if I'm working on a sound in a track in a DAW in that kind of detail, then it's usually soloed or otherwise in isolation so I can't see how that would be any different to changing to Program mode to make edits.

Of course audio-in programs are a bit different as they DO depend on external factors.

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:12 pm

Hi X-Trade,
Thanks for all your replies. As a last comment on this(we're getting way OT and i don't want to derail Qui's great tip), that's what i have to do, obviously. Only annoying thing doing this is, if my DAW track is on channel 4, once i enter PROG mode, i have to select the DAW track that's on the same channel as GLOBAL mode, as Logic is rechannelizing(??) the MIDI coming in. Anyway!!!

Blink

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:24 pm

blinkofanI wrote:Hi X-Trade,
Thanks for all your replies. As a last comment on this(we're getting way OT and i don't want to derail Qui's great tip), that's what i have to do, obviously. Only annoying thing doing this is, if my DAW track is on channel 4, once i enter PROG mode, i have to select the DAW track that's on the same channel as GLOBAL mode, as Logic is rechannelizing(??) the MIDI coming in. Anyway!!!

Blink

True, the way i do it is to reserve one track for editing which always points to the Gch 1.

When to sound is finished i save it to a new location and points the original track in my daw to that new location or timbre.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:50 pm

considering that this is the freaky experiments threads, i would like to give another suggestion:

Try to add the Vocoder IFX to this test. Routing the drums through a synthengine and the vocoder IFX can give some really interesting results!

I've tried it this week and had much fun with it and it sounded completely different that the normal drum sounds.

the vocoder can be used for lots of different things, i don't see anyone talking about it on this forum, but it's really worth it to check it out. You can create really nice sounds with it when you route drums or synthsounds through them.

gridpower · Post by **gridpower** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:07 am

Excellent stuff QUI!!

I was digging into this on my Kronos and was really getting some killer sounds, but I was having a hard time getting rid of the lower drum noises completely using the example 909 kit you were using in the demo. I had to really reduce the low pass filter to the point I wasn't hearing much of anything.

But changing drum kits REALLY modifies the feel of these sounds alot! Depending on the kit and the pattern, you can have ALL kinds of variations.

I LOVE this effect and can see getting lost making a lot of ambient sounds using this technique.