problem with ns5r need help

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:07 am

OK

First, I wasn't able to find any reference to responsiveness via velocity curves in the module's manual so that's something that may have to be set on your keyboard.

You want to look for a v-curve (send) on your keyboard that looks like either the right side of a bowl (concave to the right) or like a backwards S lying down (humping up to middle volume but then concave to right as in the other curve). Either of these curves should make it harder to hit the maximum velocity (127) that appears to trigger the hold function. That's key - you don't want max velocity if you can help it and your keyboard may have some sort of limiting parameter that will keep that from happening.

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There are 4 (!) memory protects for prog, combi, drums and FX (manual pg 70) make sure they're all off when you try your reset functions.

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There's some sort of selectable "echo" function that enables a sort of MIDI THRU function from the MIDI ports, of which there are two. Lets make sure that the MIDI is going into Port "A" and that the function is set to "Native". (manual page 72)

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RX (receive exclusive - page 74) switches should all be set to ON... or all OFF... but for now lets say on because you want the changes generated internally as part of the reset process to be able to work and setting them to off is kind of like memory protect. I don't know that the reset routine works with a sysex message but lets give it a chance. You can always run the reset routine again with these guys set to off.

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On page 76 you have several reset routines - and so far I think we've just been trying to get it back to "Factory". This is a last ditch try, and is based on the fact that you're about to put a gun to it and put it out of its misery - do the init reset that overwrites everything to zero -- GM Mode ('uz, hey, GM is the one thing that's working right) , then do the "Factory" reset.

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As to worship w/o sustain pedals... organ, man! Five or six centuries of no sus pedal and they got the job done. Listen to Faure organ music to see how it's done. No sustain on a pipe organ, or a B3 for that matter, it's just a matter of technique... and Notre Dame's reverb.

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T3owner · Post by **T3owner** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:12 am

Some MIDI gear can exhibit hung notes due to data overload. Higher MIDI velocity isn't likely to cause a problem, but if the keyboard you're using to control the NS5R can send aftertouch, then you might be generating significant aftertouch data if you bottom out the keys hard. Combine that with big chords, sustain, possible active sensing messages, etc., and some note-off messages might be getting lost.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:16 am

+1 to T3's diagnosis. Have you upgraded the controller recently? Overload could be a function of processing speed being significantly higher on the keyboard than on the module.

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keysonfire · Post by **keysonfire** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:10 pm

actually im using an korg X3 as controller... same one. Bill were not gonna see eye to eye on sustain pedal because I guess you would have to see and hear how we play. But I understand your comment. Im not trying to take away Im trying to add

How can I shut aftertouch off on X3? do you guys know?

keysonfire · Post by **keysonfire** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:31 pm

I appreciate all your help but it beat me! Im getting rid of this piece of junk.... I cant take it!! its driving me crazy...

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:54 am

Probably similar to what I am if your worship includes a lot of Hillsong stuff - we're pretty contemporary at my church.

We experience a weekly miracle when I come in Sunday mornings and find my sustain pedals have ascended to Heaven... or descended into the black hole that is the Teen Ministry band locker. After several weeks of my pedals going missing or being found broken I just stopped looking - now I do without most of the time.

It helps that I am a pretty good spec programmer on the Triton and Extreme. I can get really close to the tones of the recordings we're trying to match - and have the flexibility to change things up if the tone matches but doesn't suit our space, PA, or instrumentation. I does mean some real-time reprogramming and you have to know your board inside and out. If you do, you can generally tailor sounds (release times, reverb, trailing echo) to not need pedals - or at last not miss them when they're gone.

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My own quirk is that with the exception of a handful of voices I hate the Motif - I can't program on it, I can't find stuff on it, I miss the touch screen and the numeric keypad, I could go on. The church tried to make me play it. Aaaaakkk!

Won't.

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keysonfire · Post by **keysonfire** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:05 am

Thats funny! But I love the warm sounds on motif the piano sounds are exceptional vs korg has a real tinny synthetic sound but everyone has different tastes ... and I agree I miss the touchscreen.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:33 am

keysonfire wrote:Thats funny! But I love the warm sounds on motif the piano sounds are exceptional vs korg has a real tinny synthetic sound but everyone has different tastes ... and I agree I miss the touchscreen.

You mean you also like e.g. the piano of the Kronos less than a Motif piano?

keysonfire · Post by **keysonfire** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:54 am

I haven't personally tried the kronos but from forums And people I know who bought it say its the keyboard with most issues ... one of them lost kronos completely and called it a huge paperweight and bought new kurzweil and went with mainstage but like the saying goes were there is smoke there is probably fire...
And he probably didn't get good c support either! Lol

keysonfire · Post by **keysonfire** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:27 pm

question T3 sent me a link to OS update so I look at module specs on screen and the numbers dont match up! it seems like this module has been updated without me knowing I think... WILL THE UPDATE MESS ME UP? PLEASE HELP IM ADUMMY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS STUFF...
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THIS IS UPDATE NUMBERS
IPL (PC/IF 38.40KBPS)
Version
IPL =01.01
SYSTEM=01.06
PCM =01.00
PRESET=01.03
DEMO=01.00
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THIS IS MY NUMBERS
IPL(PC/IF 38.40KBPS)
version
IPL=01.04
pcm=01.03
demo=01.00
system=01.09
preset=01.04

synthjoe · Post by **synthjoe** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:57 pm

keysonfire wrote:WILL THE UPDATE MESS ME UP?

Very likely. But you're about to throw it away anyways, so what's there to lose? There's a slight chance it'll work.

I guess you'll be able to decide yourself based on these...