KRONOS MIDI GUITAR - AGAIN!!

jamsire · Post by **jamsire** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:30 am

One more time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kOrftC ... ture=g-upl

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:22 pm

Nice one

I wonder if this 12 string idea would work with the Axon converters?

Cheers

Andy

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:04 pm

jasmire....

great video. Thanks for posting up. You and I are cut from the same cloth with the midi guitar obsession. I too use the GK2a and the GR30 as my convertor. I find this to be the best conversion hardware that I have used, including using several "built in" GR pickups on a bunch of guitars (even a Parker Fly!). For some reason, this older Roland set up tracks the best.

In a few days or so, I will post up a new track I am working on which is almost entirely midi guitar driven.....all Kronos....and all "guitar patches". The articulation of the sounds is remarkable. I think the secret to tasteful midi guitar is in fact to use *guitar* patches, and simply control them with the fretboard via midi.

The other secret I believe, is not to *sequence* the recording.....but to record it as audio. When sequencing midi guitar, artifacts inevitably get into the sequencer, and as a result of resolution quantization and midi data over-load, you can pick up these imperfections. When recorded as audio however, its not much different than recording an actual guitar. The "tone source" is just simply something digital, rather than the actual strings of the guitar. It works a treat!

Some might ask "why?". And the answer is simple....because the clarity and pristine quality of the digital output of the Kronos can fit, in the mix, so much better along with other "digital" bits and tracks, as opposed to a real guitar....which can sound dull by comparison. The real guitar can be more challenging to record and mix.

Anyways....just wanted to shout out to you, to say, hey! I do that exact same thing too! And its AWESOME! Check me out after the weekend I will post up that track.

Thanks again!

Ron

jamsire · Post by **jamsire** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:33 pm

BobTheDog wrote:Nice one

I wonder if this 12 string idea would work with the Axon converters?

Cheers

Andy

Hey Andy - ABSOLUTELY!!! In fact, I think it would work better because of the AXON's neural net that listens to you play and sets itself accordingly.

DO IT!!!

jamsire · Post by **jamsire** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:35 pm

RonF wrote:jasmire....

great video. Thanks for posting up. You and I are cut from the same cloth with the midi guitar obsession. I too use the GK2a and the GR30 as my convertor. I find this to be the best conversion hardware that I have used, including using several "built in" GR pickups on a bunch of guitars (even a Parker Fly!). For some reason, this older Roland set up tracks the best.

In a few days or so, I will post up a new track I am working on which is almost entirely midi guitar driven.....all Kronos....and all "guitar patches". The articulation of the sounds is remarkable. I think the secret to tasteful midi guitar is in fact to use *guitar* patches, and simply control them with the fretboard via midi.

The other secret I believe, is not to *sequence* the recording.....but to record it as audio. When sequencing midi guitar, artifacts inevitably get into the sequencer, and as a result of resolution quantization and midi data over-load, you can pick up these imperfections. When recorded as audio however, its not much different than recording an actual guitar. The "tone source" is just simply something digital, rather than the actual strings of the guitar. It works a treat!

Some might ask "why?". And the answer is simple....because the clarity and pristine quality of the digital output of the Kronos can fit, in the mix, so much better along with other "digital" bits and tracks, as opposed to a real guitar....which can sound dull by comparison. The real guitar can be more challenging to record and mix.

Anyways....just wanted to shout out to you, to say, hey! I do that exact same thing too! And its AWESOME! Check me out after the weekend I will post up that track.

Thanks again!

Ron

Hey Ron!

THANK YOU!!!!! I look forward to your post soon. Please keep sharing some of your secrets as well. I was told by a very smart buddy the GK pickup tracks better because it simply acts like a regular guitar pickup.

Groovay!

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:52 pm

Why do you use the heavier G string?

Scatter · Post by **Scatter** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:25 pm

The long awaited sequel arrives! Entertaining as always.

Any thoughts on the upcoming Fishman Triple Play? It looks very promising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCGruXRi ... r_embedded

jamsire · Post by **jamsire** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:52 pm

Scatter wrote:The long awaited sequel arrives! Entertaining as always.

Any thoughts on the upcoming Fishman Triple Play? It looks very promising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCGruXRi ... r_embedded

Dag, that was cool!

But this is my guy Burr Johnson. He's demoing it the way we would really use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwmNwAFP ... re=related

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:31 am

Posted up my newest "midi guitar song" that I spoke about above in the thread: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... &start=360

Here's a quick sound cloud link: http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/midnight-to-morning

rmvieira · Post by **rmvieira** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:35 am

It looks like guitars being able to do keyboards is really taken care of. It also looks like keyboards imitating guitar still needs some work IMHO!

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:47 pm

The same is true in reverse though.....playing an authentic sounding piano or electric keyboard phrase from a guitar controller is equally as difficult. Because what it really comes down to is the player, not the gear. Its the articulations of the actual instrument being emulated which matters most. And there is no better way to achieve authentic articulations than by playing/controlling the phrase from the right controller. Whether its keys on a keyboard, guitars and basses on a midi-guitar-convertor, wind instruments from a wind controller, or drums/percussion on an electronic kit with sticks.....that will always provide the most authentic phrasing. How well you can emulate a guitar from a keyboard is all about your individual playing skills, and how well you understand the authentic articulations of a guitar player. Its a universal problem, no matter what instrument we are talking about.

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:40 am

RonF wrote:The same is true in reverse though.....playing an authentic sounding piano or electric keyboard phrase from a guitar controller is equally as difficult. Because what it really comes down to is the player, not the gear. Its the articulations of the actual instrument being emulated which matters most. And there is no better way to achieve authentic articulations than by playing/controlling the phrase from the right controller. Whether its keys on a keyboard, guitars and basses on a midi-guitar-convertor, wind instruments from a wind controller, or drums/percussion on an electronic kit with sticks.....that will always provide the most authentic phrasing. How well you can emulate a guitar from a keyboard is all about your individual playing skills, and how well you understand the authentic articulations of a guitar player. Its a universal problem, no matter what instrument we are talking about.

+1 to that

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:51 am

Hi Jamsire,

I have some 12 strings here:

10/10
13/13
17/08
26/12
36/18
46/26

are you saying I should use 10,13,17,12,18,26

So don't use the 08?

Cheers

Andy

jamsire · Post by **jamsire** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:32 am

BobTheDog wrote:Hi Jamsire,

I have some 12 strings here:

10/10
13/13
17/08
26/12
36/18
46/26

are you saying I should use 10,13,17,12,18,26

So don't use the 08?

Cheers

Andy

Exactly!

The only thing I would suggest after you experiment is to later up the gauges of the last three strings so it can feel a little tighter.

ENJOY!!

jamsire · Post by **jamsire** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:34 am

RonF wrote:Posted up my newest "midi guitar song" that I spoke about above in the thread: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... &start=360

Here's a quick sound cloud link: http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/midnight-to-morning

YEAH MAN!!!

You'll need to write out your sequencing approach on this one. Was it all done in the KRONOS or did you use the computer?