Believe I Just Saw Korgs Big Announcement..I need answers

Trinity2112 · Post by **Trinity2112** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:37 pm

GregC wrote: I also think that Korg would much prefer to give Kronos owners an up to date sequencer. There are likely some major obstacles in doing so with the Kronos, that have yet to be solved.

I'm sure we'd all love to believe that. But the Kronos/Oasys sequencer is, in fact, 7 years old. If they haven't overcome said obstacles by now then I doubt they ever tried...if there were any obstacles to begin with.

Post by **Sharp** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:05 pm

I've sequenced on KORG sequencers since the M1. Almost exclusively in fact over all those years between the M1 and the KRONOS I own right now. I also wouldn't have it any other way.

Bearing that in mind, I have to say that seeing KORG spending the time to put “Piano Roll” on a KORG Sequencer when such core basic function are missing breaks my heart.

Regards
Sharp.

DocBambs · Post by **DocBambs** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:05 pm

Ajbbklyn wrote:
Side note: Interesting that the copy on the UK site reads, "Colorful palette of sounds" - using the US spelling of "colorful" in lieu of "colourful".

and that is where I stopped reading...

I think it looks good for a low/medium-end product and I hope it does really well - low end products are a key entry point for users to the high end products. When I bought my first keyboard (Korg X3) I had looked at more basic units first (Yamaha) and found my way to Korg by good luck. People need to see the brand and lower end products help that happen as they can be stocked by retailers who would never stock a £2500 unit.

DB

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:17 pm

GregC wrote:
blinkofanI wrote:I don't use the internal sequencer, but if i was, i would be out of myself right now. It's the second time Korg does this to their users, bringing an inferior workstation with better sequencer built-in. I can't believe Korg is doing it again.

At this point they should just come out and say it straight into our eyes that the Kronos/Oasys platform will never have a decent sequencer and that you can't have state of the art synth engine AND sequencer inside a Korg workstation. When producing such instruments, they should just not call them workstations. Just call them synthesizers and everybody would be happy and the users wouldn't have expectations.

Blink
If I understand what you are saying, you are stating that an up to date sequencer 'makes ' a workstation and lack of same ' breaks' that workstation

Hey Greg,
I think you missed my "state of the art" and "AND" relationship in my post. I'm saying we can't seem to be able to have both in a Korg workstation. And when i say state of the art, it's in workstation-land terms. These sequencers will never have the feature set of Cubase or Logic, for example. But for people like Sharp who took the time to learn and create a workflow out of these sequencers, i'm sure they'd like piano roll style editing and copy-and-move drag and drop workflow.

Blink

Trinity2112 · Post by **Trinity2112** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:28 pm

Sharp wrote:I've sequenced on KORG sequencers since the M1. Almost exclusively in fact over all those years between the M1 and the KRONOS I own right now. I also wouldn't have it any other way.
Regards
Sharp.

Same here. But I'm assuming Korg must not see it that way. I guess they assume that anyone who can afford a Kronos or Oasys wouldn't bother with an internal sequencer to begin with...which only raises a number of questions. Why bother including a sequencer to begin with? Are they simply fulfilling the definition of a workstation? Why include an upgraded sequencer on an entry-level board like the KROME? Surely consumers who opt for that board can spend the money they saved on sequencer software. And why call any of them workstations if users are outsourcing their workflow to a computer?

What exactly is the point of all this upside down, ass-backward marketing????

cello · Post by **cello** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:44 pm

There's little point in going on about the Kronos sequencer. Korg didn't do anything for the OASYS community with regard to piano roll, etc, etc and then the M3 came along.

The Kronos Seq isn't going to change, just as it didn't with the OASYS.

I hope the Krome does well for Korg - certainly a good bit of bang for buck all things considered - and it has a better seq than the the Kronos and the OASYS lol

The Krome is not for me but it could help increase the size of the Korg user community world wide which can't be a bad thing.

Jakker27 · Post by **Jakker27** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:50 pm

GregC wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:
GregC wrote: If I understand what you are saying, you are stating that an up to date sequencer 'makes ' a workstation and lack of same ' breaks' that workstation
I don't think you'd get much argument against that. The definition of "workstation" has traditionally been a synth section combined with a sequencer. The workstation definition becomes a lot harder to maintain when one part of that marriage is so clearly undervalued on the developing end. To be honest I never use the sequencer anyway so I don't mind too much. But I think it's clear from those that need the sequencer regularly it's massively underpowered compared to the competition.
I also think that Korg would much prefer to give Kronos owners an up to date sequencer. There are likely some major obstacles in doing so with the Kronos, that have yet to be solved.

So its not some evil marketing scheme to let the Krome have the up to date sequencer and the Kronos owners have a sequencer that is less powerful.

I think that Korg have an invested interest in all their products and they'll protect them the best they can (with exception of the O sadly). It's business. From a music stand point, if you can do it why not? The fac,t is if the sequencer was more user friendly, people that don't use it would be more inclined to use it. That just stands to reason. If it was more 'daw like', why wouldn't you use it? The concept of being under one roof is real one.

However they must realize that if your on an earlier Korg keyboard, you risk not allowing continuity. So rather then progressing from the m3 to the kronos - with a sequencer I know, I have to relearn an old system. It might 'demand' better players but not every producer can play keyboard. The functionality should be there, as should Karma because these are ways in which to improve on a great idea.

Personally I like the Kronos (even if it did nearly break my back) and I hope that it keeps evolving. I heart korg.

Lou · Post by **Lou** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:01 pm

This is all good and Krome looks like a wonderful entry set up for almost anyone. For me the buck stops in regards to the plug-in/editor. My fingers are crossed and expectations are high… For what is soon to be released. If it doesn't happen this time around it never will…

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:07 pm

Lou wrote:This is all good and Krome looks like a wonderful entry set up for almost anyone. For me the buck stops in regards to the plug-in/editor. My fingers are crossed and expectations are high… For what is soon to be released. If it doesn't happen this time around it never will…

Waste of time...they already had one the same...called M50.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:51 pm

blinkofanI wrote:
GregC wrote:
blinkofanI wrote:I don't uthe Kronos/Oasys platform will never have a decent sequencer and that you can't have state of the art synth engine AND sequencer inside a Korg workstation. When producing such instruments, they should just not call them workstations. Just call them synthesizers and everybody would be happy and the users wouldn't have expectations.
Blink
If I understand what you are saying, you are stating that an up to date sequencer 'makes ' a workstation and lack of same ' breaks' that workstation
Hey Greg,
I think you missed my "state of the art" and "AND" relationship in my post. I'm saying we can't seem to be able to have both in a Korg workstation. And when i say state of the art, it's in workstation-land terms. These sequencers will never have the feature set of Cubase or Logic, for example. But for people like Sharp who took the time to learn and create a workflow out of these sequencers, i'm sure they'd like piano roll style editing and copy-and-move drag and drop workflow.
Blink

Ok, I do get it. We are invested in the best workstation, is not cheap. And its frustrating for some folks that after years, of pointing out , that the sequencer does not measure up.

I do wonder and guess at why this is; 1) it does not effect Kronos sales.
2) many folks use software. 3) korg r & d is locked in stone- if the sequencer spec is not locked in , in the design kronos phase, fergeddaboutit.

If this makes sense, you have to wait for the next w/s flagship to have the sequencer you deserve. I bet the design is taking place right now. But we won't see a glimmer of it until January NAMM 2014.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:53 pm

This is sad and stupid...and we don't get this Cubase like Sequencer...
what a disappointment.

tdwctdwc · Post by **tdwctdwc** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:12 pm

As a( K61 + 88 keys controller) owner, i could see this thing being my workhorse for rehearsals , even for gigs .

And judging from the narration in the introduction video , i think it will be priced "right " .

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:15 pm

tdwctdwc wrote:As a( K61 + 88 keys controller) owner, i could see this thing being my workhorse for rehearsals , even for gigs .

And judging from the narration in the introduction video , i think it will be priced "right " .

the anderston video said 800$ range!

tdwctdwc · Post by **tdwctdwc** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:16 pm

robbinhood wrote:
tdwctdwc wrote:As a( K61 + 88 keys controller) owner, i could see this thing being my workhorse for rehearsals , even for gigs .

And judging from the narration in the introduction video , i think it will be priced "right " .
the anderston video said 800$ range!

Serious ?????

Ajbbklyn · Post by **Ajbbklyn** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:34 pm

Anderton* is based in the UK. So "800" is not USD. Rather it is pound sterling. If you convert to dollars, that comes to about $1260. Allowing for the fact that UK customers get ripped off, I'd guess the US price for the 61-key would be USD$1,199.