Would this be a good TR replacement?

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:18 am

M3 is probably the best bet...it beats the hell out of the 2.

sani · Post by **sani** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:45 pm

BasariStudios wrote:
twstone1983 wrote:I have to admit, with this bit of info released here http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=75074 it appears the only thing the TR88 has that the Krome doesn't is aftertouch... definately ups the anti I'd say.
No...Krome has no Sampling...thats not Sampling, it simply reading material
from an SD Card...TR has REAL SAMPLING and RAM which Krome doesnt.

If the Krome has the ability to read samples, well it is then on par with the Tr. Absolutely nobody needs a sampler in a keyboard these days. Besides that, the Tr has only 64 Mb and it's pretty much slow at reading those 64 Mb.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:47 pm

However, it's still pretty unclear whether or not it does. The videos showing it have been (forcibly?) taken offline and it's not anywhere in the spec sheets. No comments from Korg reps as of yet.

alfredokiwi · Post by **alfredokiwi** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:30 am

I think the TR built quality of its board and aluminum are in another level of quality. The DSP "Hi Synthesis" is very good, in the case of the sampling features the load is a bit slow, because samples should be transferred first to PCM RAM banks.
From DAC stages design is much better in design as the new models M50, Pa500, etc because it use a split power supply, also it has available a secondary DACs output.
On the TR Korg followed the post design considerations from TI (Texas Instruments) PCM 1781 DAC datasheet. Also the TR line out output level is at right values, not the same as in the Pa500 (please check my blog at www.alfredoblogspage.blogspot.com.ar for more info).

But the new features such as 3.8 GB of PCM samples data, touch screen, sampling features, less weight in all models specially on the 88 keys version put the Krome in another perspective. We cannot compare/criticizes the old with the new because technologies improves every day, and the TR/Triton engine is 10 years older as the new Krome.

Is my point of view, I think every TR owner should evaluate the selling due the high build quality of the Triton/TR series.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:30 am

sani wrote:
BasariStudios wrote:
twstone1983 wrote:I have to admit, with this bit of info released here http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=75074 it appears the only thing the TR88 has that the Krome doesn't is aftertouch... definately ups the anti I'd say.
No...Krome has no Sampling...thats not Sampling, it simply reading material
from an SD Card...TR has REAL SAMPLING and RAM which Krome doesnt.
If the Krome has the ability to read samples, well it is then on par with the Tr. Absolutely nobody needs a sampler in a keyboard these days. Besides that, the Tr has only 64 Mb and it's pretty much slow at reading those 64 Mb.

No matter what, it wont be better, TR still has a Sampler and this one ONLY
reads Samples., it is 2 very different things...and thats if it does.

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:20 am

I will swap anyone who wants a TR for a krome any day any where.
I can only think of 1 person who would not. lol.

alfredokiwi · Post by **alfredokiwi** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:08 am

Here I have recorded a sample about the Grand Piano quality sound of the Korg TR-88, recorded using an Alesis Multimix4 USB mixer. Is the true sound of the TR "Grand Piano" without any post editing effects.

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Another demo on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4w_RA0 ... re=related

I can´t complain about the TR series. New releases would be always in another perspective but the old are also good !!!.

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:38 am

I would agree that the TR was and is a good keyboard. Does it come close to a krome not even of course, however that in no way makes it a poor board , just saying.

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:59 am

BasariStudios wrote:
sani wrote:
BasariStudios wrote: No...Krome has no Sampling...thats not Sampling, it simply reading material
from an SD Card...TR has REAL SAMPLING and RAM which Krome doesnt.
If the Krome has the ability to read samples, well it is then on par with the Tr. Absolutely nobody needs a sampler in a keyboard these days. Besides that, the Tr has only 64 Mb and it's pretty much slow at reading those 64 Mb.
No matter what, it wont be better, TR still has a Sampler and this one ONLY
reads Samples., it is 2 very different things...and thats if it does.

Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I rather sample whichever instrument using my mixing console with good mikes, to a good PCM recorder or directly to my music PC, then edit, clean and map the samples on my computer, and load them to the Krome, than sampling directly from the keyboard, with little (or maybe awkward or not as friendly) editing tools.

And for what I can see on the video, the Krome does not stream from the SD. The samples are loaded at boot time and put on the Option banks, then they are selected at oscillator level like any internal sample.

alfredokiwi · Post by **alfredokiwi** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:30 am

My point of view is that the new Krome use a new schema of PCM memory banks using serial access instead the parallel bus method (TR, M50, Pa series etc), in the same way as the new serial ATA hard disks. In this approach the bus data wiring layout on the Krome is simplified. Serial access doesn't mean a slower access or high latency. On the other hand on a composition or performance more polyphony and sounds layering capabilities are not useful because the layering/mix of to much PCM sources start to sounds confusing. For example human ear cannot distinguish 16 layers of different sounds on a combi patch !!!. The same happens with to much polyphony !!! But criticism starts evaluating these features when other parameters for example "dymamic range" are more important.
On the videos about the Krome the sound quality is excellent but doesn't means that old gear should be discarded.