Yamaha Tyros 4 versus Oasys

jgsidak · Post by **jgsidak** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:44 am

Has anyone tried out a Yamaha Tyros 4? If so, how does it compare to the Oasys?

At $5299, is it substantially better than a Korg Kronos?

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:04 am

The Tyros 4 is an Arranger marketed at the older gentlemen. The OASYS is an entirely different class of product altogether. It's for professionals.

So they are nothing alike, but which one is best for you depends on your need.

If it's a matter of which is "better" as far as features go, the best way to explain that is to say that the Tyros 4 is a kids toy compared to an OASYS.

Regards
Sharp.

jgsidak · Post by **jgsidak** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:03 pm

So what explains the stiff price tag, I wonder.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:02 pm

There's nothing in the product that justifies it. It's simple marketing. They know their market very well and know there is a lot of disposable cash in it.

Regards
Sharp

worth · Post by **worth** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:56 pm

not entitrely true .

play the Tyros 4 if you get a chance and you will hear a realism of sound for realworld instruments that just have not been matched by any of the "professional keyboards" out there including the oasys and the latest Kronos. Only people who have not played te tyros 4 would argue differently.This is because of the way the sounds have been programmed called super articulation which will take you many many hours to replicate if at all possible on an oasys. Also the tyros comes fully loaded with complete and sophisticated styles from pretty much every genre of music available today ,programmed by world clss musicians to get the authenticity of the styles as cvlose to the reals sound as possible. These styles change chords along with the chords you play as full accompanimemnts and much more.

What ypou should be asking is why the Oasys was sold originally at plus £7000 when it first came out. That was pure greed from korg and was certainly unjustified for what it was.

I am not saying that the price point is justified but i am pointing out to you that there are significant sonic and interactive playing reasons why the tyros has a different price tag to the oasys.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:09 pm

Super Articulation ?. I was doing that 20 years ago on my old AKAI Samplers. Even older than that is the sound engine of the Tyros. AWM 2 is pushing well over 20+ years old now. It's a nice keyboard to play, but by heck it's a toy compared to an OASYS. The Tyros is even manufactured like a toy compared to the OASYS. It's all plastic and has cheap keys. The OASYS is all metal and nothing but the best quality parts.

Tyros is an Arranger so it should only be compared to another Arranger.

Regards
Sharp.

cello · Post by **cello** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:44 pm

Sharp wrote:The Tyros 4 is an Arranger marketed at the older gentlemen. The OASYS is an entirely different class of product altogether. It's for professionals.

Lol

and totally true...

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:06 pm

who you calling "older"?

just because I think it's a cool looking keyboard, now that they upgraded to a dark skin.

who you calling a "professional"?

just because I want an Oasys, because of the larger adjustable screen.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:38 pm

When Yamaha launched the Tyros 4 in America, guess where they toured ?

Yep... old folks retirement homes and that's an fact. There's something kind of sick and greedy in that. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Image linked from here

Regards
Sharp.

worth · Post by **worth** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:12 am

thats really unfair sharp and unlike you.

Why do you think older people should not have the choice to spend their money on music products they like and find easier to use than the ultra complex Oasys or Kronos that even some of the best musicians dont have not the foggyist idea how to use even 20% of its potential?

You maybe technically compettant to generate sounds equal to the superarticulation sounds in the tyros but do a survey covering all the users on the kronos or oasys, or triton pro , extreme ,or even wider, the roland fantom forum or motifator forum and find me even 50 musicians in total that can do that or have actually created a sound equal to lets say just 10 superarticulated tyros voices!!! Thats why folks like you and Cello are so venerated becasue of the years you have taken to learn how to create sounds. Most of us dont have the skills, time or inclination which is why your products are so much sought after.

You are a great technician but you are the exception. Thats why there is a huge untapped market for simple music products that sound amazing and are easy to use and the tyros range fits that bill extremely well.

Thats why the Tyros is an incredible musical instrument and why folks of all ages buy it and use it to make great music

Even the demonstrator for Korg Marco Parisi has gigged with the tyros because of its realist sounds.

PS i am not a troll for yamaha ha ha !! I own my PA1X arranger keyboard and was one of the authors of the "Korg Arranger secrets " DVD that we released a few years ago with Rob sherrat.

I just think the original poster should be given a proper answer to their question and not just another jab at yamaha (whom i repeat is not my employer

)

Whatever you may think of the Tyros it certainly is not a toy and if it had a sequencer and proper sampler i would buy one over a new or used oasys every single time. (if i had the cash which i dont at the moment, just waiting on the scond hand market

).

best wishes

Worth

ps , just a little off topic
Why dont you use your sound creation skills and make a set of superarticluated (or korg equivalent ) sounds for the Kronos or M3 ?

Do a survey on the Kronos forum and see who would buy it from you. I gaurantee you will find interest in a product like that. Right now the Kronos has awfull guitars , mediocre saxes etc there is a market right there ready made for someone with your skills. what have tou got to lose by asking the question ?

Post by **Sharp** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:18 am

thats really unfair sharp and unlike you.

I bet you have misunderstood me.

Why do you think older people should not have the choice to spend their money on music products they like and find easier to use than the ultra complex Oasys or Kronos that even some of the best musicians dont have not the foggyist idea how to use even 20% of its potential?

No, I didn't say that.

What I objected to was Yamaha's business practice by where they toured the retirement homes to target people with disposable income. I find that a disgusting business practice.

A lot of people where disgusted by this when the news of the tour was announced. I remember it was even covered here a few times, synthzone, harmony central and others.

You maybe technically compettant to generate sounds equal to the superarticulation sounds in the tyros but do a survey covering all the users on the kronos or oasys, or triton pro , extreme ,or even wider, the roland fantom forum or motifator forum and find me even 50 musicians in total that can do that or have actually created a sound equal to lets say just 10 superarticulated tyros voices!!! Thats why folks like you and Cello are so venerated becasue of the years you have taken to learn how to create sounds. Most of us dont have the skills, time or inclination which is why your products are so much sought after.

Your missing the point entirely.

KORG will release a major OS update for free. Often they come with new sounds and styles too.

Yamaha could do this too but they won't. Rather giving people a free download, they will release a new keyboard that will be nothing more than an incremental upgrade over the last one.

And when they do, people will complain as they always do about the little difference between the Tyros models. You know this as well as I do.

Why dont you use your sound creation skills and make a set of superarticluated (or korg equivalent ) sounds for the Kronos or M3

I'm happy with making what I'm making. I just released KRONOS ASSAULT which produces sounds you will never get from a Tyros.

I'm always working on new stuff too.

Do a survey on the Kronos forum and see who would buy it from you. I gaurantee you will find interest in a product like that. Right now the Kronos has awfull guitars , mediocre saxes etc there is a market right there ready made for someone with your skills. what have tou got to lose by asking the question ?

I don't need to. I know exactly where the KRONOS is weak. That said, KRONOS users are not left without options already. There are already countless AKAI disks that offer SA type voices which surpass anything the Tyros can do.

I own many of these myself already. KRONOS reads AKAI format perfectly.

Regards
Sharp.

worth · Post by **worth** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:17 pm

"[quote]No, I didn't say that.

What I objected to was Yamaha's business practice by where they toured the retirement homes to target people with disposable income. I find that a disgusting business practice.

A lot of people where disgusted by this when the news of the tour was announced. I remember it was even covered here a few times, synthzone, harmony central and others. [/quote]"

Whats disgusting about targeting the market that most likely will buy your product and has the money to buy it and the discernment to decide its value for them ? How is this different to any other target marketing ? There is an underlying prejudice that older folk cant make discerning purchasing decsions .I can assure you that is not the case at all. they made their money by being more prudent than many of us and have the right to spend it as they wish. HYowmany folks have bought the Kronos who have no clue of how to use its potential but they paid top dollar for it. Should we supervise their purchases too ???? Thats the free market that you and i operate in and there is nothing unethical about it. selling stuff topeople who want to buy it is what good businesses do. If you think you can make a product better , cheaper and more value to that market and make a healthy profit whats stopping you or any other instrument provider from getting in there?

[quote]"KORG will release a major OS update for free. Often they come with new sounds and styles too.

Yamaha could do this too but they won't. Rather giving people a free download, they will release a new keyboard that will be nothing more than an incremental upgrade over the last one.

And when they do, people will complain as they always do about the little difference between the Tyros models. You know this as well as I do. "[/quote]

I dont buy an instrument based upon what its future OS system might be . Call me old fashioned. I buy one because of what it can do today. Korg have inadvertantly built an unhealthy culture of people expecting something for nothing. Just review the last few months posts about the Kronos and what people expected for the next upgrade without any appreciation of 10% of what the current OS can achieve. They complain about stuff they have no right to expect and was never promised.

Is that better ?

People are free to buy what they choose. Whats wrong with letting people buy what they want ? If you buy a yamaha you get what you pay for and yamaha have one of the most loyal client bases out there both amateur home hobbyists and world class professionals because what they produce is excelent products that sound great and work well the first time and not after OS 3.02.9..... Why should customers be dissatisfied with that ?

If there are Akai disks avaialbale that match the Tyros in terms of both sound quality and usability then they have missed a trick by not re releasing these disks . But why should their lost opportunity be yours ?

Anyway as usual its good debating with you .

regards

Worth

geoelectro · Post by **geoelectro** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:37 pm

A good example of selling to the retired market is Lowrey Organs. They have done very well in this market. As a Lowrey Service Technician I see first hand the customers and I can tell you they absolutely love their instruments. A recent example was an elderly lady who just bought the latest Lowrey flagship organ. She lives in a fancy highrise. When I arrived to fix a minor problem with the expression pedal, I saw she still had her old organ, last years Lowrey flagship! Yep, she has two! She said I like the new organ and some of the new features but the older one still has a sound I like. Most of the time it's a sell up to the new model trading in the older one.

BTW. She said before you leave, you need to see my husbands Flight Simulator. I'm thinking a PC with airplane controls. WRONG!
He has an FAA approved simulator you climb into complete with wrap around screens, sound, and hydraulics. I said, so your husband is a pilot? No, it's just a hobby...

There's not a whole lot of things you can still do when you get old but you can play music. I'm sure there are stories of people spending too much on something they eventually never use and the value is no where close to the original selling price. I've certainly done that myself!

Geo

zirkdextron · Post by **zirkdextron** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:19 am

The point is, the Tyros IS marketed at retired people. They like 'em, but the rest of us wouldn't or shouldn't be inexperienced enough to be taken in by Yamaha's marketing strategy.

The Oasys is a completely different animal, Karma is superficially a bit like preset rhythms, but 5 minutes with the keyboard will very rapidly convince you otherwise!

On the Tyros, the effects are loaded onto the preset patches, so the impressionable buyer is probably going to find this attractive - okay, all manufacturers do this, but on the Tyros it is more apparent, I feel.

And the build quality? Simply no comparison. The Tyros looks and feels plasticky. Even worse than a Kronos (!), but it really couldn't be considered as an alternative to the Oasys - and why is Tyros stuck with a 61 note keyboard? Weird....

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:56 pm

The point is, the Tyros IS marketed at retired people

Yes I can just see the promotion ads......

Korg offers a free case with every new Kronos

Roland offers a free Ipad with every new Jupiter 80

Yamaha offers a pair of incontinence pants with every new tyros!!!

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