M50 to M3

chico · Post by **chico** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Hi to the community,
yes a simple question, I am using a M50 73 and I love this KB, but polyphony
kill me went I used a complex combi, I will like to change my m50 for a M3 73. 120 in poly vs 80 for the m50.
Well let go to the point, Can I transfer my COMBIs from the m50 to the m3?

thanx in advance

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:36 pm

[Edited to remove bad info. I usually don't do this but it's the first post up and the advice was at least 50% wrong. Oops. Danke sehr Herr Saxifrage for setting the discussion back on track.]

The sound engines are the same. So there is compatibility at the program/combi level -- but not at the full PCG "Load All" level.

As you probably know, just the fact that KARMA and the play-pads are included in the synth architecture are enough to make full PCG loads incompatible.

A partial load (Prog only/Combi only) should put the same sounds on the M3 as you have on the M50 -- but without working links to Arps (cuz they aren't there on the M3) and without KARMA links (cuz they aren't there on the M50).

Drum Tracks are on both, but I don't know if that link is preserved in the transfer or not.

You should also check to see if your favorite "stock" M50 combis are already on the M3 in a Karma-fied version.

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Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:18 pm

chico wrote:Hi to the community,
yes a simple question, I am using a M50 73 and I love this KB, but polyphony
kill me (what the heck are you playing? ) went I used a complex combi, I will like to change my m50 for a M3 73. 120 in poly vs 80 for the m50.
Well let go to the point, Can I transfer my COMBIs from the m50 to the m3?
thanx in advance

Hi! Just got my M3-M today. So I have not yet tried importing M50 combis.
I only Imported them to the M3 Editor. That worked very well.

In the editor handbook on page 57 you find the following text:

Import
This command loads M3 or M50 PCG data into the editor.
Importing of the following data is supported: PCG files from the M3 XPANDED (new PCM),
PCG files from the original M3 (old PCM), PCG files of the M50, and files with an extension of
[.M50all] that were created by M50 Editor.

It should work then. But you cannot change banks before import it seems. Have not found any switch or dialog for that.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:40 pm

OK, per Saxifraga I stand corrected RE M3's ability to load M50 voice program/combi data.

I knew the Krome was importing M50 .pcg data pretty much intact (not the reverse, tho) and from the lit I've seen Ktrome does not share compatibility with M3. That may be what led me to think M50/M3 weren't strictly compatible.

I'm still not sure how the M3's going to treat data it can't use, like M50s arp settings vs. KARMA data, and whether there's a default provision for that difference -- but that's a deeper question for Saxifraga and the M3 editor, I guess.

It may be a oneway street - upward load to M3 but not downward.

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chico · Post by **chico** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:59 pm

Well, look like is possible to load m50 to m3 (PCG data) I create combis without perc or arp. just effects must of them are brass and splits, that's why I need more poly for the COMBIs.

Thank you for your advise, now i am looking a M3 used with a good price.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:45 pm

chico wrote:Well, look like is possible to load m50 to m3 (PCG data) I create combis without perc or arp. just effects must of them are brass and splits, that's why I need more poly for the COMBIs.

Thank you for your advise, now i am looking a M3 used with a good price.

I have imported the S4K Pink Floyd Combis and Progs into my new M3-M with EXB-radias and EXB-256. Worked very well.
But I did it not with the editor. I needed to load the Combis to a special userbank to not overwrite the radias bank.
That only works with import from USB-stick.

The M3 Parameter Guide got a short chapter on compatibility between M3 and M50 and what is mapped where and what is ignored.
It starts at page 657.

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:26 pm

M3 import w/o problem M50 program and combi.
viceversa is true except for karma of course.

chico · Post by **chico** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:15 pm

I just bought a Korg M3 73 Xpanded, mint conditions (like new an a very nice price)
Since a have to play with my band 2moroow, I downloaded the backup that I have for my M50, old the combis are working, but they transferred the M50 sound bank too. I want to make a factory resent to start little by littler replacing the combi using the sound of the M3, I went to Global and I don’t see anything that said, “reset to factory default”
WHAT I DID WRONG?
I loved my M50, but the M3 is a MONSTER.
The M3 is using version V2.04

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:08 pm

Use the newest M3 editor applicatin and load the PRELOAD.M3all file and send it to your M3 via USB cable. That´s it! Like new.

chico · Post by **chico** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:40 am

Tank you Saxifraga, I did it and voila.
Now I have both Workstations.
Until I do all the transitions to my M373.
I don t know if this is true but the M3 with the M50 sounds
works 100%. No complains.

chico · Post by **chico** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:33 pm

Hey, let see is the expert can answer this question.
After I created " again from scratch" all the combis from my M50 to the M373X,
I go back and reload the backup of the m50 to the M3 just to find a missing combi from a song, and I notice that the m50 sounds and combis played in the m3, sound more brights, more quality and I discovered that my Organimation installed in the m50 are there, even I can use the bars for the B3 sound. No needs to reloaded from a flash drive and sound without noise in comparison with M3 version of the program.
my questions: Can I use the M3 polyphony (120) with m50 sounds?

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:21 pm

Yes. Why not?

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:48 pm

Chico

Polyphony count (80 vs. 120) is part of the hardware architecture, not something set up in, nor limited by the software (PCG) and not a parameter you can change.

MOSS (Triton/Trinity) may ask you to designate and assign how many voices each track will use - I think Radias may be similar in M3 - but the "normal" sounds just play until polyphony is used up, then steal from the 1st note played in order. Going to the higher voice count just means that you can play more complex/voice intensive combis without hitting the limit as fast.

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chico · Post by **chico** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:10 pm

Well I just ask the question just in case, I will try in a combi with a lot of stereo sound and using osc1 & osc2 to see what happen. But I think that the sound in the m50 are more actual. I don't know maybe because i used longer and the m3 is a new keyboard for mi, and I love it more everyday.
Due to the weather here in South Florida my musical activities are suspended, and I will tested in the weekend.
let you know.

Thank you

chico · Post by **chico** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:13 pm

YOU ARE RIGHT, no problem with the polyphony, I tested on the weekend loading the M50 Sound, Combis, etc. was using the M3 polyphony. The problem is that the Combis was send it to the I-D bank, and when I go back to the M3 reset, using GLOBAL "Load Preload/Demo Data" all the name of my comibis created for mi in the m50 are in Bank I-D but with the M3 Sound (a mess).
Solution to full reset? and delete the name or restore the I-D Bank. I don't know.
Please let me know if there is a solution to this.
Thank you in advance.

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