Kaoss Pad tips for Guitaists

[4NDRW]

i dont play guitar at all
but ended up reading this thread

what about using something like the behringer fcb1010?
it has 2 expression pedals... could someone do that to control X and Y?

i'm lookin at getting some sort of floorboard controller to do stuff down the track, as i often have both hands busy playing keys.

hopefully getting a kp3 soon

[SMK]

i dont play guitar at all
but ended up reading this thread

what about using something like the behringer fcb1010?
it has 2 expression pedals... could someone do that to control X and Y?

i'm lookin at getting some sort of floorboard controller to do stuff down the track, as i often have both hands busy playing keys.

hopefully getting a kp3 soon

Yep! the Behringer FCB1010 is becoming the official toy for the KP3. The best parts is being able to set off the ABCD buttons to record a loop live (but have that pick-hand free for a sec to arm record feature by hitting sample button)

Too bad Korg never created a a midi board like this for their AX3000 unit how ever if they did they might have forgotten to make the foot pedals send midi note messages. Yes, the 2 expression pedals would work with the KP3, they work with CC messages.

Check out corresponding thread for more info/user experience:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=33963

[SMK]

This is a great thread. Hope it builds up more.
I recently purchased a KP3, after having lost my MKP, and also use it in my effects chain for guitar and other instruments.
I have my effects go through the effects sends of a mixer so I can use various other instruments and sound devises to work together.
My question is why some people are against going through the Mic input. I use this because I am coming from a mono rig and I want to keep the KP3 output in stereo. I have had no problems yet with my sound, both live and for recording, while keeping the trim turned down. Why is it considered a bad idea for some?
Also, I have seen it suggested the a boost goes after the KP3 because the output signal is weak but in this thread it is suggested to put it before the KP3. Why is this? Also, what boost do you recommend? How do you keep it in stereo?
I have also seen MANY threads of guitarists looking for a MIDI foot-control without any decent solutions. Is there really nothing out there? I actually use my foot for the pad. I wear very thin socks and generally will sit down for while playing guitar and controlling it. This is to be fine with me but I would like to be able to use a foot-control for switching between effects and samples. Any ideas for this?
I heard a rumor that The Edge from U2 using a ball on the pad to control it. Don't know how true it is.
A trick I can offer is with samples. I find that the SD card is way too slow for loading up samples on the fly. I use an iPod loaded with SFX, synth pads, movie quotes, and various other things, categorized for easy access. This is fed into my Loopstation 2nd input that goes into my KP3. This way I play the sample from the iPod instantly while sampling it to the KP3 plus I can read the title of the sample and keep everything in order in my iPod opposed to the horrible number system used with the SD card.

Thanks for the post and continued support for Kaoss for guitarists.

1. Using the mic input:
It's not evil to use mic input, but to a few people who have tried, they experienced some nasty noisy results. If you like what you are getting sound wise from the first effects in your chain just before the KP3, I just suggest going thru RCA because it just seems alot cleaner and less troublesome. Guitars and pick-ups in particular are so finicky, you never know what you are going to get as an end result when going thru something as hot on the KP3 as the mic input. In my experience my small single coil pre-amped sustainer pick-up is enough to drive the KP2/KP3 into an overdrive heart attack. And because I use and switch through so many different effects the results can be very unpredictable.

The plus side on using mic input aside from the obvious channel switching capability is that you can get a unique over drive thru mic, that is if you like what you are hearing.

2. booster before the KP3:
either a pre-amped guitar, like what I have or an effects board/Pandora's box. Over drive effects and alike before the KP3. it just works better that way. And when you are working with a mini kp, same concept but I suggest the Pandoras Box on the guitar belt assuming you are trying to be like Muse but with a taped up mini KP on your nice guitar (ohhh the horror!)

The only other thing is to use KP3 as an effect send thru a mixer but not many guitarists use a mixers in their rig sooooooo.....

Many of these ideas I learned from chatting with Reeves Gebreals (of 90's Bowie fame) who so far in my estimation is the Godfather of using crazy effects like a Kaoss pad (KP1 in this case) in his guitar rig. He used it live and used it well.

3. Midi controller for the KP3:
You're right, this should have been the first thing discussed here. It seems the official board is the Behringer FCB1010.

Here are the 2 huge benefits for any KP3 user:

* MIDI note-on commands for trigger and tap-tempo applications (to access and trigger your ABCD sample pads which only receive midi note messages)

* 2 expression pedals with freely assignable MIDI channel, controller number, and range (to foot control your KP3 X Y coordinates)

Now here's the "Gravy":

* Simultaneous transmission of five MIDI program change commands and two MIDI control commands per preset
* 2 programmable, relay-controlled switch jacks
* MIDI merge function allows for "soft through" and merging of controller and input data
* 10 banks of presets

4. The Edge using a Ball to control a KP:
okay I want to see this!

5. Ipod as a sample player:
Cool idea... thanks!

6. To access samples on KP3 takes too long:
you need a faster SD card, go to a high-end camera store. these cards are not your cheapy $20 for 2 gigs....look to spend alot more for access speed. you'll notice a difference when you use a higher end card like what pro digital photographers have to use.

I hope all of this helps you and anyone else here on this thread.

[Gonleo]

HI! Im very happy to have found this thread.

I bought a Kp3 two weeks ago, to incorporate with my guitar rig. I really havent managed to make it work in my rehearsal space (or home really). I read alot about people saying that you need to boost the signal before the kp3. But my problem is that it seems like the kp3 handles the guitar signal poorly alreadys as it is, let alone boosted. My tone gets completely distorted when the kp3 is in my tube amps fx loop. Cant get a clean sound.

I also tried it straight in to the line in of the amp (after OD and fuzz), and same thing happens. So now i hooked it up with my amp line out/record-->Kp3-->Mixer-->singers speakers. Well ok, now i get my clean nice guitar tone throu my amp, and kp3effects sound throu the speakers.. But.. I want to manipulate my guitar tone in realtime (using my toe on kp3 - no problem at all) not having the dual-feeling of clean tone and kp3effects - in other words.. i want the kp3 effects to come out my tube amp. Isnt that possible? Could it break my amp?

Or do i need to hook kp3 to a mixer first and then back to my guitar amp?

Any hints would help. Because it seems the Kp3 distorts my signal even when using it home with a little rehearsal preamp and to my homespeakersystem. (It would be nice to be able to use the Kp3 at home as well to loop and live mix riffs and different instruments). !!

Am i maybe doing something wrong with the Kp3? ..Im connected with 1/4 - RCA cables. Direct mode. Stratocaster with splittable humbuckers, fender 75 tube amp. (Or just at home with multieffectpedal RP500 Digitech).

And also.. when used amp line out-->kp3--> mixer it seems as 70% of the effects dont sound at all or at least with very low volume...

I apologise for all the questions, I just really want the kp3 to work with my set up.

Any thing that comes to mind would help! Thanks!!