Is it Hacked now ?!

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:28 pm

The actions of the forum are not personal, violate too many rules, too many times and your banned.

Better to hack your keyboards than a forum, I mean really. Where is the growth in that?

on to another thread, sorry i even opened this thread this morning.

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:35 pm

Never mind. It's not worth it.

Chrutil · Post by **Chrutil** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:45 pm

Wow, what a thread to wake up...
Pathetic, delusional and scary-crazy all in one.

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DennyC · Post by **DennyC** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:38 pm

Well, I got curious and clicked back to page 3. This person definitely has a problem. If he spent half the time creating instead of the rants, he might produce some quality music.

Three cheers for Sharp, he runs a great site and has produced a great Kronos product.

Three cheers for Pepperpotty, she is cool...respect her authority!

Three cheers for the rest of you, as I really enjoy this forum.

Melodialworks Music · Post by **Melodialworks Music** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:41 pm

DennyC wrote:
Three cheers for Sharp, he runs a great site and has produced a great Kronos product.

Agreed, this site is an amazing resource!

Melodialworks Music · Post by **Melodialworks Music** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:53 pm

I've watched the video. I don't know much about such technical matters, but it appears that the answer to the question "Is it Hacked now ?!" is NO.

Matthomas · Post by **Matthomas** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:49 pm

I had the honor to work with Peter and his team for a few weeks last year, and they didn't mention any concerns about this.

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Dan, Any one using a studio requires the least amount of noise and the highest fidelity possible. This has always been the goal, get the best signal possible. Audio through analog ports has to be re-amplified and noise and character changes is introduced.

The optical port on the Kronos could carry 8 channels of "data", pure signal with no character added by the op amps, and DA/AD re conversions.

The Korg Oasys has optical jack and can be used as ADAT, which can send 8 or more channels of pure signal to the DAW or main external recorder. This keeps the original sound, and high fidelity without
re amplified noise and signal changes by introducing op amp character.

Of course any one who works in the Music industry and is technical savvy
already knows this.

No one is out to get Korg, or diminish the Kronos as a wonderful product, but is fair to make statements about what should have been done to complete the Kronos, and make it a little more useful.

Piano roll editor for midi is in many products today and even low end Korg products. In Canada , The Kronos X 88 was $4300.

This is a fairly serious investment and the Kronos only needs a few more adjustments and additions that are worth the cost to add for almost anyone who wishes to have the best sound from the Kronos and a
slightly better sequencer like in the low end Korg Krome - which sells for 1/4 the price of the Kronos.

Thanks - Mat

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:56 pm

Matthomas wrote:

I had the honor to work with Peter and his team for a few weeks last year, and they didn't mention any concerns about this.
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Dan, Any one using a studio requires the least amount of noise and the highest fidelity possible. This has always been the goal, get the best signal possible. Audio through analog ports has to be re-amplified and noise and character changes is introduced.

The optical port on the Kronos could carry 8 channels of "data", pure signal with no character added by the op amps, and DA/AD re conversions.

The Korg Oasys has optical jack and can be used as ADAT, which can send 8 or more channels of pure signal to the DAW or main external recorder. This keeps the original sound, and high fidelity without
re amplified noise and signal changes by introducing op amp character.

Of course any one who works in the Music industry and is technical savvy
already knows this.

No one is out to get Korg, or diminish the Kronos as a wonderful product, but is fair to make statements about what should have been done to complete the Kronos, and make it a little more useful.

Piano roll editor for midi is in many products today and even low end Korg products. In Canada , The Kronos X 88 was $4300.

This is a fairly serious investment and the Kronos only needs a few more adjustments and additions that are worth the cost to add for almost anyone who wishes to have the best sound from the Kronos and a
slightly better sequencer like in the low end Korg Krome - which sells for 1/4 the price of the Kronos.

Thanks - Mat

you should have been talking to Korg 3-4 years ago when they designed the Kornos. Its easy to look backwards and state ' well, they shoulda done this, and they shoulda done that '

Melodialworks Music · Post by **Melodialworks Music** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:53 pm

GregC wrote: you should have been talking to Korg 3-4 years ago when they designed the Kornos. Its easy to look backwards and state ' well, they shoulda done this, and they shoulda done that '

So, when did they design the Korg Krome?

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:05 pm

Matthomas wrote:
Dan, Any one using a studio requires the least amount of noise and the highest fidelity possible. This has always been the goal, get the best signal possible. Audio through analog ports has to be re-amplified and noise and character changes is introduced.

The optical port on the Kronos could carry 8 channels of "data", pure signal with no character added by the op amps, and DA/AD re conversions.

The Korg Oasys has optical jack and can be used as ADAT, which can send 8 or more channels of pure signal to the DAW or main external recorder. This keeps the original sound, and high fidelity without re amplified noise and signal changes by introducing op amp character.

Of course any one who works in the Music industry and is technical savvy already knows this.

The technically savvy will also know that very few devices support both S/PDIF and ADAT over the same physical port. In my own studio (http://www.danphillips.com/equipment.htm) I have only one device, the tc fireworx, which does this (see below). You mention the OASYS; it has optical S/PDIF built-in, but requires a separate hardware option, with a dedicated optical port, for ADAT output. All the rest of my devices with optical digital I/O support only one format or the other, including the Focusrite ISA 430, KRONOS, and Mac Pro (all optical S/PDIF only) and the Focusrite ISA 428, MOTU 2408, OASYS PCI, and Frontier Tango24 (all ADAT only).

The reason for this is that the transmitter/receiver chips which handle the transfer of data over the optical cable typically support only one format or the other. In other words, it's a hardware limitation; even though they share the same type of port, ADAT and S/PDIF almost always require different hardware under the hood. (It's possible that the fireworx physically switches between ADAT and S/PDIF transceiver hardware internally; I don't know.)

Another issue is sample rate. The KRONOS operates internally at the fixed rate of 48 kHz, and the S/PDIF I/O operates only at this rate. Personally, most of my recent projects have been at either 44.1 or 96 kHz; in both cases, digital connection to the KRONOS would have required sample rate conversion. (USB audio I/O already includes sample rate conversion within the driver.) All realtime sample rate conversion causes its own artifacts, and personally I find it more straightforward to use the high-quality analog I/O on both the KRONOS and my interfaces. It would be nice if the KRONOS could operate at different sample rates - we did this with the OASYS PCI DSP card long ago - but that would have added significant complexity to the system.

I agree that more I/O can always come in handy; the tradeoff is cost. Unfortunately, even providing an added-cost option generally increases the production cost of the base model as well. It would also be nice to support multiple channels via USB.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:11 pm

The malicious communications act is about slander and threatening letters and such. It's not slander or threatening to write on a public forum the truth about what someone is doing.

But regardless, I very much doubt he'd actually take it to court, and would probably be laughed out of there in 30 seconds if he did.

Keep up the good work, Sharp! Best synth forum I know!

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:19 pm

Oh and Dan, this would probably be comparatively hard to implement, but while you're mesmerizing about added audio routing features, it would be great if all in- and outputs could be switched on/off towards the headphones. I.E. being able to route an input (line from the FOH?) or output (click to ind 1) to HPs but NOT mains would greatly increase the functionality. But it could be the HPs are hardwired to the L/R outputs?

Pepperpotty · Post by **Pepperpotty** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:34 pm

And I'd like it in pink please

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:47 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Oh and Dan, this would probably be comparatively hard to implement, but while you're mesmerizing about added audio routing features, it would be great if all in- and outputs could be switched on/off towards the headphones. I.E. being able to route an input (line from the FOH?) or output (click to ind 1) to HPs but NOT mains would greatly increase the functionality. But it could be the HPs are hardwired to the L/R outputs?

I understand why this would be convenient, but L/R and headphones share the same A/D, and all of the main stereo signals - L/R, headphones, S/PDIF, and USB - share the same logical data stream.

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:18 am

A workaround for the headphones and Main L/R being linked to the same channel is to use Individual Outputs 1/2 as the mains, and the Main L/R for headphones only.