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On the KronosChriskk wrote:KK has *up to 24* voices, which in Korg language implies 24 osc's. If KK had 72 osc's, Korg would strongly advertize it.Timo wrote:
Not quite, KK has 24 voices. At 3 osc per voice, that's 72 osc. (unless there's some 'upto' jiggery pokery nonsense), and additionally there are dual-saw waveforms etc. on oscillator types to choose from.
My thoughts exactly.rfoshaug wrote:Is it just me or is the world going backwards?
I remember back in the day when Novation produced the Supernova with 16 timbres, now the Ultranova has more or less the same synthesis but with 1 timbre.
7 years ago the Radias came out, and now there is the KingKorg with half the timbres, same polyphony, simpler effects (can you on the KingKorg have both delay and reverb at the same time? I don't think so), 2 EG's instead of 3, no modulation sequencer (it seems?).
Although the osc's and filters have many models and probably higher definition simulations, I am a bit "underwhelmed" of the features. Quite unlike my M3 vs Kronos where Kronos has all those synthesis types and really is a big step forward etc., but with the KingKorg (horrible name btw), I'd expect a lot more for a synth that would be Korg's analog modelling flagship.
Ravenmek, I could not verify this information for sync so far, although I hope that it is true. Can you name a source?ravenmek wrote:It does have sync, FM and Ring mod, you know?
Yes, seems the manual is of the quick Basic Guide type. Hope a more detailed Parameter Guide is made available.Kronik wrote:Owners Manual now available from Korg.com
http://www.korg.com/uploads/Support/USA ... S2_WEB.pdf
I'm not entirely convinced yet (seems like a lot of money for not a lot of functions!) so I'll just wait for the Parameter Guide to show up, then we'll get to see what it can really do.
I don't think the AL-1 has anything to fear, although the KK modelled Osc waves and filters are interesting.
and you can see in the video it has in Analog Osc :jimknopf wrote:The KK has two strong points IMHO, while it's limitations seem more or less secondary to me - after taping the name
1. Sound
The interesting thing about this synth is it's VA quality, with the various filter models sounding really interesting, as far as the demos tell. AL-1 has a much more advanced synth structure, but it has a very neutral basic sound and less audible filter differences, which makes it hard to get such a varying sound spectrum from it. And all the essentials for sound programming seem to be there in the KK as well. For example, to me it is ten times more important to have Oscillator sync on board (expressive live play), than to have a third or fourth envelope available (nobody will notice that consciously in loud live band context).
From the demos I get the impression of a VA which offers definitely a more interesting basic sound plus more different sound colours than a Radias - whatever the Radias may have in advance in other areas. And having basic effects (plus a bit more, with ringmodulator, bitcrusher etc.) and the tube available on board as well, means that you can do a lot with this one 7kg thing on a second tier, instead of carrying unnecessary secondary stuff (tube preamps, hardware effects etc.) around.
2. Live usability
The KK has what is completely missing on the JP80: a controller field worth using, and allowing to shape sounds on the fly like it is required for analog synth structures. You get fast (re)programming in immediate reach (great haptics: very nice knob size). This just fits like a shoe, comparable to classic analog synth surfaces (not to big modular systems or polysynth dinosaurs of course) - even if I don't like to have cutoff and other often used knobs to the right. Al in all, Korg seems to offer a "bread and butter" synth with low aliasing and no audible midi stpping while moving controllers: you probably can play synth solos in good quality, do easy 2-splits, get pads for backing, or play a juicy synth-bass whenever needed. Definitely looks like fun in band context!
This (in sharp contrast to the JP80) is what I would call a performance synth! If it survives the first practical tests, it might become an ideal second tier synth companion for a weighted Kronos, allowing you to use it's synth sounds and also play Kronos VA sounds from there: would be a great double pack, if the KK works as well as it seems.
The "manual" is nothing but a short introduction. It doesn't tell much about the synth structure. Let's hope for the parameter guide to appear soon.
Doesn't the stuff from 2:10 on sound nice?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RFr1dKpx24
I don't see where the fuKingKorg actually has any sync or crossmodulation between oscillators. It certainly lacks the modulation sequencer to dynamically alter the crossmod. Instead, it appears to have fixed crossmodulation waves with no ability to dynamically modulate them. Not the same thing. It's hard to tell the details for sure without the editor software, but the various permutations of crossmod waves in the Osc types seems to indicate that they are there because there IS NO crossmod between oscillators. So contrary from those extra osc types being a good thing, they are actually exposing another big limitation of the synth structure.jimknopf wrote:For example, to me it is ten times more important to have Oscillator sync on board (expressive live play), than to have a third or fourth envelope available (nobody will notice that consciously in loud live band context).
haha - knew this would happen... http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpbb2/ ... c&start=14xmlguy wrote: fuKingKorg
The UK version is the fooKingKorg. That's the Americanized version, unless you're Samuel L. Jackson, then the name is a bit longer and pronounced with greater emphasis and accent, as in the following.cello wrote:haha - knew this would happen... http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpbb2/ ... c&start=14xmlguy wrote: fuKingKorg
