They both work great as midi controllers. Both via the standard 5 pin midi ins and outs and via usb. I regularly use both to control soft synths in DAWs and to control some synth modules I have.
The Krome is particularly interesting in this respect. A short while ago, I found a used Triton Rack locally for $250. The Krome controls it like they were made for each other. The Triton has a very similar param array (4 knobs in three banks). I guess because of the similar design, the controls on the Krome control the same features on the Triton with zero fiddling. Very handy.
And of course the MOX can control just about anything in Cubase. It has a level of integration with Cubase that I've never seen before. Very, very handy.
Greg
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beethovenslover
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As long as they have midi out which they do, any keyboard can be a midi controller BUT!!! True midi controllers are specifically designed for that very purpose ei Roland Pro A800 controller,M Audio KEYSTATION 61ES,Akai - MPK49 etc.[/quote]
Thank you very much for the reply. I've reached a bit of a dilema. I already write orchestral music, but I don't know whether to write through the Krome or possibly buy the MOX with Cubase. Which would be the best for orchestral composing/producing?
Once again many thanks.
Thank you very much for the reply. I've reached a bit of a dilema. I already write orchestral music, but I don't know whether to write through the Krome or possibly buy the MOX with Cubase. Which would be the best for orchestral composing/producing?
Once again many thanks.
That's a great question. The answer is, in my opinion, complicated.
Though I really like the MOX6 and the Krome, I prefer the orchestral sounds in the Krome significantly. This is personal taste and others could easily disagree.
Integration between the MOX6 and Cubase though is phenomenal. And I believe Cubase is probably the best place for orchestration kinds of things because the score view is so damned good. Nothing really in its class that I know of (In terms of DAWs - Sybellius is obviously excellent but it's not a DAW)
On the other hand....
I'm not convinced that you need the kind of integration that the MOX offers for the kind of work you want to do. If the sound set of the board you get is good enough, what need do you have to control plugins and stuff? I suspect you would also have little use for the audio interface of the MOX.
You can certainly still record very effectively from the Krome to Cubase. And naturally, you can score what you like and have cubase send that midi back to the Krome - then pipe the Krome's audio back to Cubase.
The more I think about it, I think the Krome is the best solution for you, but there's much to consider. Frankly, they're both great boards and would yield excellent results.
Greg
Though I really like the MOX6 and the Krome, I prefer the orchestral sounds in the Krome significantly. This is personal taste and others could easily disagree.
Integration between the MOX6 and Cubase though is phenomenal. And I believe Cubase is probably the best place for orchestration kinds of things because the score view is so damned good. Nothing really in its class that I know of (In terms of DAWs - Sybellius is obviously excellent but it's not a DAW)
On the other hand....
I'm not convinced that you need the kind of integration that the MOX offers for the kind of work you want to do. If the sound set of the board you get is good enough, what need do you have to control plugins and stuff? I suspect you would also have little use for the audio interface of the MOX.
You can certainly still record very effectively from the Krome to Cubase. And naturally, you can score what you like and have cubase send that midi back to the Krome - then pipe the Krome's audio back to Cubase.
The more I think about it, I think the Krome is the best solution for you, but there's much to consider. Frankly, they're both great boards and would yield excellent results.
Greg
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Thanks again Greg for your in-depth reply. This is getting really confusing for me now because I've just heard the Roland Jupiter 80. AAAAAAAAHHHHHH! It's sounds phenominal. But yes thanks foe the advice, really appreciated.
I've used Sibelius my entire life and know it like the back my hand, (sad). But I want things to sound better now and i know how powerful a computer has to be to run a DAW and a Midi Controller well. What would your advice be on this?
Also would I be able to record the sounds off the Krome on to Cubase?
Thanks
I've used Sibelius my entire life and know it like the back my hand, (sad). But I want things to sound better now and i know how powerful a computer has to be to run a DAW and a Midi Controller well. What would your advice be on this?
Also would I be able to record the sounds off the Krome on to Cubase?
Thanks
You certainly can record the Krome directly into Cubase. In fact, if you use the Krome as the audio device, it's kind of a no brainer. I was thinking though that you may want to record midi as opposed to audio as you could then change things a bit more easily.
You are getting into slightly different territory now though.
Honestly, if you want to record orchestral pieces, I'd be very surprised if you want to 'play' all the parts on any keyboard. I'm assuming you would score it or sequence it. If that's the case, then even the Krome may not be your answer. A soft synth of an orchestral nature may suit you better.
Here's a potential problem. Let's say you want a couple of dozen different instruments in your piece. Not unusual for an orchestral piece. The Krome only has 64 note polyphony (I think) and you might melt your brain trying to get it to handle that kind of multitibrality. Of course, this is only the case if you want to sequence the whole thing.
If you were using soft synths, you could have an instance for each instance for each instruemtn - making everything much more simple.
You would need a fairly robust computer, but not a state of the art whiz bang workstation.
I regularly run Cubase 7 on my Macbook Air with a 1.6 GHZ i5 proc (in Windows 7 - not OSX) and only 4 gb of ram. Works great. You would probably, eventually, run out of ram if you used tons of instruments but it would take a fair amount.
Be aware though. Going all VST is not necessarily a cheaper option. Good soft synths can add up very quickly. And I tend to get tired of soft synths faster than I do a real hardware device. One could argue though that the Krome is just a REALLY massive softsynth. The architecture is pretty similar.
Greg
You are getting into slightly different territory now though.
Honestly, if you want to record orchestral pieces, I'd be very surprised if you want to 'play' all the parts on any keyboard. I'm assuming you would score it or sequence it. If that's the case, then even the Krome may not be your answer. A soft synth of an orchestral nature may suit you better.
Here's a potential problem. Let's say you want a couple of dozen different instruments in your piece. Not unusual for an orchestral piece. The Krome only has 64 note polyphony (I think) and you might melt your brain trying to get it to handle that kind of multitibrality. Of course, this is only the case if you want to sequence the whole thing.
If you were using soft synths, you could have an instance for each instance for each instruemtn - making everything much more simple.
You would need a fairly robust computer, but not a state of the art whiz bang workstation.
I regularly run Cubase 7 on my Macbook Air with a 1.6 GHZ i5 proc (in Windows 7 - not OSX) and only 4 gb of ram. Works great. You would probably, eventually, run out of ram if you used tons of instruments but it would take a fair amount.
Be aware though. Going all VST is not necessarily a cheaper option. Good soft synths can add up very quickly. And I tend to get tired of soft synths faster than I do a real hardware device. One could argue though that the Krome is just a REALLY massive softsynth. The architecture is pretty similar.
Greg
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Ok thanks, would this be a good 'plan'. First I'll buy a Korg Krome, the I get Cubase, then I get some plug-ins, then upgrade my computer. Basically I'm going to university and want to really start using other things, although I know how to use Cubase and Pro Tools quite well, Cubase better than pro tolls. I want to start building up my kit to make my music portfolio sound better. Sibelius has sort of reached a limit now, sorry to keep adding to the conversation (please leave if it gets boring), I 've just seen a bundle on http://www.production-room.com/novation ... 49-bundle/ would this be a better option or should I still go for the Krome?
Thanks
Thanks
As I'm in the US, I'm blissfully unaware of what a good deal is in the UK. Komplete 8 is an amazing package. I suspect it would give you all the soft synth stuff you would need for a long time. I think the orchestral samples would actually be patches for Kontact - part of that package. I've seen excellent reviews.
I know nothing of that controller, but my guess is that it's fine. It's just a controller though. No internal sounds. No picking it up and taking it to a buddy's house to jam. This may or may not be a problem.
Of course, this package doesn't seem to come with a DAW of any kind. No recording capability there. Just playing. You would still need Cubase or some other DAW.
Cubase actually comes with a fairly respectable sound library. Nothing on the order of Komplete, but it would cover your bases initially.
On package worth considering is IK Mutlimedia's Total Workstation XL package. Really reasonably priced - here in the US anyway. I can't say that it's equals Komplete, but it's pretty good. The interface is a little antiquated and it's 32 bit only. It's still a nice package and it includes Miroslav Philharmonic - a nice orchestral package.
And of course, don't forget that the orchestral sounds in the Krome are pretty great on their own. Depending on how you want to use things, that may be all you need. If you're willing to record track by track instead of trying to have the Krome play everything at once, it could be fine. Hell, you could use Audacity (free) and do what you want. Obviously, better DAWs are easier to use and offer far more options. I still believe Cubase is the best option for anyone that can read and write music and wants to work with scoring. Sonar has scoring as well (and an excellent plugin package) but the scoring is pretty paltry in comparison to that in Cubase.
Greg
I know nothing of that controller, but my guess is that it's fine. It's just a controller though. No internal sounds. No picking it up and taking it to a buddy's house to jam. This may or may not be a problem.
Of course, this package doesn't seem to come with a DAW of any kind. No recording capability there. Just playing. You would still need Cubase or some other DAW.
Cubase actually comes with a fairly respectable sound library. Nothing on the order of Komplete, but it would cover your bases initially.
On package worth considering is IK Mutlimedia's Total Workstation XL package. Really reasonably priced - here in the US anyway. I can't say that it's equals Komplete, but it's pretty good. The interface is a little antiquated and it's 32 bit only. It's still a nice package and it includes Miroslav Philharmonic - a nice orchestral package.
And of course, don't forget that the orchestral sounds in the Krome are pretty great on their own. Depending on how you want to use things, that may be all you need. If you're willing to record track by track instead of trying to have the Krome play everything at once, it could be fine. Hell, you could use Audacity (free) and do what you want. Obviously, better DAWs are easier to use and offer far more options. I still believe Cubase is the best option for anyone that can read and write music and wants to work with scoring. Sonar has scoring as well (and an excellent plugin package) but the scoring is pretty paltry in comparison to that in Cubase.
Greg
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[quote="beethovenslover"]Thanks again Greg for your in-depth reply. This is getting really confusing for me now because I've just heard the Roland Jupiter 80. AAAAAAAAHHHHHH! It's sounds phenominal.
Yeah thats why I purchased the Roland Integra7 for the same reason the Jupiter 80 Supernatural sounds are totally awesome!!! and I use the Roland A800 Pro midi controller with it... but Ive used the Krome/Kurzweil as well
as a controller.Depends on what your doing.Integra 7 is the IMO the best way to manipulate instruments to the real thing ie violins,cellos,flute,oboe etc and the grand piano is the best Ive ever heard.I also like the SRX cards which come with it especially the Orchestral SRX card again awesome!!!
Yeah thats why I purchased the Roland Integra7 for the same reason the Jupiter 80 Supernatural sounds are totally awesome!!! and I use the Roland A800 Pro midi controller with it... but Ive used the Krome/Kurzweil as well
as a controller.Depends on what your doing.Integra 7 is the IMO the best way to manipulate instruments to the real thing ie violins,cellos,flute,oboe etc and the grand piano is the best Ive ever heard.I also like the SRX cards which come with it especially the Orchestral SRX card again awesome!!!
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The guy in the review is comparing the Krome to the Motif. Hardly a fair comparison. You shouldn't really compare it to the JP80 either. I mean, obviously you can, but if you really do have that kind of money to spend you should stack the JP80 and Motif up against the Kronos. Since you seem to be looking at a budget board, MOX, Krome and JunoG (I guess?) are the ones to look at.
How will you be using it/them? On the road? Will you be playing live and sketching songs away from home? Or do they stay in the studio as part of a larger setup? Apart from the style of music, which sounds are really important to you? E.g. the Krome's piano and EP really can't be beat at this price point, but the MOX has some nice other acoustic sounds. These are important questions I think.
How will you be using it/them? On the road? Will you be playing live and sketching songs away from home? Or do they stay in the studio as part of a larger setup? Apart from the style of music, which sounds are really important to you? E.g. the Krome's piano and EP really can't be beat at this price point, but the MOX has some nice other acoustic sounds. These are important questions I think.
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Beethovensloverbeethovenslover wrote:Yes I think I'll go with the Krome then build up on other things. But I do wish I could afford a Jupiter 80.oh well in the future some.
Many Thanks
You'll appreciate the Krome, the orchestrated patches are very good as well as the solo instruments.As I mentioned earlier I have the Motif XS rack and the orchestral arrangements and solo instruments are good but I prefer the Krome.Im also quite impressed with the Roland Integra in regards to orchestal and ensemble playing and individual instuments, due to Rolands new behaviour modeling technology it's quite impressive what you can do with these patches.The violins /cellos sound so realistic that you can bow with them, flutter with the flutes and trill with trumpets, strum with acoustic guitars just to name a few. It's cool!
