Roland and Yamaha are on notice!!! after Namm 2013

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Kevin Nolan wrote: Finally, can't believe I'm saying this but I think the VR-09 is excellent, and I'm seriously thinking of selling my JP80 and may buy one of those (the JP80 is an excellent instrument but the Registration- Live Set- Tone way of doing things bugs the hell out of me and I can't adapt to it).
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How is Roland on notice? Jupiter 80, Jupiter 50, Integra 7, and now the VR-90. All in the span of 2 years.
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shefu wrote:How is Roland on notice? Jupiter 80, Jupiter 50, Integra 7, and now the VR-90. All in the span of 2 years.
Its funny, I guess they should come out and publicly apologize for not releasing a brand new workstation right now.
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djcactus wrote:
shefu wrote:How is Roland on notice? Jupiter 80, Jupiter 50, Integra 7, and now the VR-90. All in the span of 2 years.
Its funny, I guess they should come out and publicly apologize for not releasing a brand new workstation right now.
Are you serious? Why should they? They can release whatever they want, and that's exactly what they have. If you want a workstation, there's plenty options out there.
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shefu wrote:
djcactus wrote:
shefu wrote:How is Roland on notice? Jupiter 80, Jupiter 50, Integra 7, and now the VR-90. All in the span of 2 years.
Its funny, I guess they should come out and publicly apologize for not releasing a brand new workstation right now.
Are you serious? Why should they? They can release whatever they want, and that's exactly what they have. If you want a workstation, there's plenty options out there.
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edit: I dont need a work station right now. Ive got a quality midi controller and computer. I was being facetious i guess its harder to read then to hear... wait no i get these same reaction, im just sorry
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It takes a lot of time, research, development and money to come up with a new workstation, especially one at or above the level of what the Kronos can do. Workstation sales were much greater ten years ago, but today with computers and easy interfacing between keyboard and computer (and even keyboard and iPad), the demand is not as high as it used to be. If I were in charge of a company like Roland, Yamaha, etc, I'd focus my product/design emphasis on something else... something with a much broader customer base. I'm pretty sure companies are thinking along the same lines, which is why you don't see much in the way of new workstations. This will leave Korg as king in terms of workstations. That's fine with me.
I love Korg's SV2 stage piano, but there's a lot more stage pianos out there to choose from, and a lot more customers for stage pianos too. That's why all the major players make stage pianos.
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I thought the Roland VR-09 and Yamaha MX49/61 were very nice. In fact if i had to pick a favorite it would have to be MX61.
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PianoManChuck wrote:It takes a lot of time, research, development and money to come up with a new workstation, especially one at or above the level of what the Kronos can do. Workstation sales were much greater ten years ago, but today with computers and easy interfacing between keyboard and computer (and even keyboard and iPad), the demand is not as high as it used to be. If I were in charge of a company like Roland, Yamaha, etc, I'd focus my product/design emphasis on something else... something with a much broader customer base. I'm pretty sure companies are thinking along the same lines, which is why you don't see much in the way of new workstations. This will leave Korg as king in terms of workstations. That's fine with me.
I love Korg's SV2 stage piano, but there's a lot more stage pianos out there to choose from, and a lot more customers for stage pianos too. That's why all the major players make stage pianos.
I think why selles are droped and going lower and lower awry year for hardware Workstations is because they always bring the same and they are really not workstations anymore.. Kurzweil wrote on their web site for PC3K8 that it is "Production station" and they use the cuting age technologies, but i think they are lairs, because their is nothing cuting age in PC3K8 as well it is not a production station at all, it is a low quality performanse synthisesier with very dated hardware and software under the hood,also speaking about Yamaha, Yamaha continued to use AWM2 for, i think more then 25 years and they did not care it is good or bad and in 2013 year they have a couple megabite ROM in their top of the line Workstation and that's it. While with computer world they evolved alot, there are so many high qiality VSTis and they constantli improve. The another problem with modern hardware "Workstations" are that they are locked so u cannot upgradde or add anything hardware wise and software wise. That is terrable!!!
I think even for Korg, Kronos will be the last hardwere workstation, yes it is miles better then Motif XF, but still Kronos is not even close to computer world.
I think the the neaar feature for Korg will be making:
1) Music Software
2) Analog keyboards
3) VA hardware keboards
4) digital pianos
5) effect prossesors
6) tuners
7) recorders

and i think the far feature for Kord (12 years form now)
1) Music software
2) analog keyboards
3)effect prossesors

and it think very far feature for Korg will be(20 years from now)
1)Music software

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1) if sombody is interested why in 20 years there will not be analog keyaobrds, because i think that the digital imulation will be so good that it will be even better then analog.
2) Why there will not be dedicated hardware keyoabrds? Because the software will go so supperior then most people will be using computers with a controller for it and another part of people will be using all porpouse hardware workstations like Music Computing keyboard in which u can load anysoftware u want...
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chilly7 if i recall correctly, this is that the Korg OASYS was. As long as it has a keyboard and synthesizes music, it still counts as a synthesizer.
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Pesho wrote:chilly7 if i recall correctly, this is that the Korg OASYS was. As long as it has a keyboard and synthesizes music, it still counts as a synthesizer.
unfortionaly Oasys was, not is... :(
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chilly7 wrote:unfortionaly Oasys was, not is... :(
According to Wikipedia, Kronos is the successor to OASYS and uses an Intel Atom CPU + Linux kernel. Looks like Korg know what they're doing, PC hardware is very cheap now and offers a lot of computing power.
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Pesho wrote:
chilly7 wrote:unfortionaly Oasys was, not is... :(
According to Wikipedia, Kronos is the successor to OASYS and uses an Intel Atom CPU + Linux kernel. Looks like Korg know what they're doing, PC hardware is very cheap now and offers a lot of computing power.
year but not Atom CPU...
My mother's Macbook Air has a better CPU then Workstation Kronos... :evil:
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That just means that Korg has amazing programmers who can make things sound great even with a low-powered CPU, you know.
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Atoms are about as powerful as a Pentium4 like in the OASYS. They most likely didn't need anything faster.
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However the Atom used in Kronos is multicore with hyperthreading, so it allowed more things to be done simultaneously, using smaller clock frequency, which means a LOT less heating than the old P4 single-core.
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