Looking for input to create a vintage synth expansion

[SanderXpander]

I'm definitely not opposed to creating new sounds. But creating 8 or 16 velocity-to-filter layers of an Oberheim seems an awful lot of effort to go through for people then to go "a real OBX didn't have that, what an awful library"
On the other hand, it could be a good way to capture some of the filter character of the original. Perhaps I'll give it a go with a midi-enabled synth first, to see if the effect is musically useful. It'd be pretty hard to get a useful loop too unless I let the filter even out eventually.

[Kevin Nolan]

personally I think you absolutely have to sample with different filter settings - filters are an integral part of a synths sound.

Agree that obviously raw waves should be provided also but other patches can be well mapped to things like velocity, mod wheel or even vector to capture filters from the actual synths.

You can't sample a moog and not sample the filter!

Edit: Consider a program such as extreme sample converter to automate the velocity to filter process. That's what I did when I sampled my Cwejman S1...

We've been considering doing samples with the filter sweeps, but how would you map the filter to the mod wheel? And velocity mapping? None of those Moogs except the modern ones (Voyager, LP etc) even have velocity. Or midi, for that matter, so ESC is out too. If only it were so simple!

You can't do this - any modulation on filter would have to be via the HD-1 filter, NOT the originating instrument filter (that's static and unchangeable).

Beyond creating individual samples at various filter cutoff, resonance and envelope settings (which then brings the final product under your direct influence and taste) the only way is to build programs with samples at hundreds of various filter settings and as was suggested elsewhere having those switched in some sort of wavetable way or through velocity switching. But even then you'd have to use the HD-1 envelopes.

In my opinion, by far the most important thing for you to do to achieve a true quality product is to sample every note of the instrument (and including the various feet setting of the original oscillators). There is nothing worse than hearing sample points every few notes - especially with analogue gear - it's so audably obvious yet almost ubiquitous with sampled packages but the very best ones - and in my opinion if you were to sample every semitone of a Minimoog oscillator over triangle, saw and square waves you'd be onto a winner. You could make every samlpe very small (few kilobytes) and loop carefully so you cannot hear looping points, all for only a few megabytes - if that - in total per instrument sampled.

That, coupled to carefully programming of the capable features of the HD-1 engine would deliver exquisite and worth while packages.

For example, sampling an OBXA oscillators over every semitone - for both oscillator channels - and offering a dual oscillator HD-1 program with a 12dB/octave filter and with the HD-1 detune and unison options would surely deliver an amazing OBXA patch.


I realise the filter is important - but you're just not going to be able to sample that without imprinting your own preferences on those static settings and that's not much use to other musicians.

[SanderXpander]

Well then you'll be happy to know that that's exactly what we did so far, including your final example

I also agree with your reservations about sampling filter settings. But I don't want to exclude anything yet, if we get a good idea for a cool sound we'll do it.

[Ahnyxrik]

I don't like the fact folks are against sampling Analog synths on the KRONOS. I LOVE IT! VA (AL-1, etc.) can only do SO MUCH!
I did what you have done, made a fantastic collection of Analog Synths for the KRONOS & already posted it on Ebay. The problem is promotion & getting permission to promote it. Don't do what I did & just promote it here without asking! I got blasted for that!
Do make it! I'd love to try it out when it's done!

Problem with the collections already made & for sale:
They are WAAAAY TOO MUCH! ($99-$199)
You have already spent over $2000 on the KRONOS, right?
I can't even believe how much money I spent to make my
UBER ANALOG Collection a reality. ($5K)
But I say it's worth it. I made my collection for those people who want but can't just buy expensive vintage synths, esp. after buying the KRONOS.
I am selling my collection for $39.99 now...
Do not overcharge people for your custom collection, they won't buy it for big bucks UNLESS you work for KORG or anyone tied to them...

Trust me, I know!

[SanderXpander]

I'm definitely not planning on promoting it here without asking, Sharp runs a really great site here and he has a few sensible rules that I intend to follow.

Right now we're not even near to having anything ready to sell, so I'm just looking for input, good ideas, wacky ideas, suggestions, do's and don'ts. So your advice is also very welcome, thanks.

All in all it's pretty interesting to see the diversity of opinion
I don't think many people are "against" it, it just seems there are a lot of different ideas on how to go about it.

Maybe I shouldn't have started by saying we want to sell it, because I don't want to focus on that too much. We will put some price on it at the end, probably based on the competition and what we think people might reasonably pay for something like that. I can't imagine what we'd have to charge if we were counting hours and gear
I just get a kick out of the idea of creating something good that people can buy. It'll be pretty hard to compete with some of the excellent free stuff! But I hope we will be able to make something that stands out, or at least fills a niche.

[Ahnyxrik]

You ROCK & I agree! Korg Forums is the BEST FORUM & I didn't want to ruin my stay here!
It is soooo worth it when a collection is wrapping up, the excitement to play live & use it on one GREAT synth onstage. I would NEVER bring my Jupiter-6 on tour, but the KRONOS & samples make for security!
A good sample collection gives you the ability to play all of those instruments anywhere & in any situation! Keep up the good work & I will make sure to pick-up your collection when it is done!