[ KORG PA-600 ] Needed improvements in the new version. (OS)

[Thoraldus]

no not white level noise. A faint hiss could be normal with the volume turned way up. This is like unbalanced cable hum (soft) and it is constant. It doesn't increase or decrease in volume regardless of whether or not you increase or decrease the volume of the attenuator on the Pa-600. Could a hum like this occur from a mismatched impedence from the headphones? The ones that I really notice it on (because they are so detailed and closedback) are the Sony 7520's.

Thanks and God bless

Probably picking up some digital noise. Headphone amplifier may not be completely decoupled from digital noise on the power rails.

[atef81]

On the issue of the fact that the PA600 can't load more than 8 performances.

I saw a reply in this thread:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=79484

saying:

"Definitely right ! do you know a better way to fit 16 banks in 8 of same volume value , or really expected
an ensemble converter software in a 1100 $ arranger if in future some extra pages will be added in firmware ?
8 Banks can't be changed , it's obvious , clearly hardware add-on (only pages) !!
Therefore load non Pa600 performances manually !!!""

Any idea what does this mean?
Thanks.

[musicAle]

- I see no difference between the recognition chords of the "expert" and
   others. Even "expert" mode, in mode split just pressing a single note to
change the tone of the accompaniment. This mode should require at
least three keys simultaneously.

I agree about the "Expert" mode, this is one of the first things I noticed when I first got my PA600. I also have a Roland BK-7m which I use in "Pianist" mode which requires three fingers to change a chord.

Because of the way it works on the PA600 I find I have to be very accurate when changing chords to make sure the changes are smooth, this should really be modified in a future update.

I'm very happy with my PA600 but this niggle does spoil it a bit for me.

Keith

Would be good to implement on the PA600 ..the Pianist mode on found the Bk-7m ... and none of the modes of PA600 works like BK Pianist mode ... should improve this aspect in the next operating system

[siebenhirter]

.. I see no difference between the recognition chords of the "expert" and others. .... things I noticed when I first got my PA600. I also have a Roland BK-7m which I use in "Pianist" mode which requires three fingers to change a chord. I'm very happy with my PA600 but this niggle does spoil it a bit for me.

Would be good to implement on the PA600 ..the Pianist mode on found the Bk-7m ... and none of the modes of PA600 works like BK Pianist mode ... should improve this aspect in the next operating system

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"Expert"-mode is necessary for who uses it with its peculiarities.
With "Expert"-Mode you can play rootless and slasehd chords without to assign "BaßInversion". So you are able to change chords with or without Baßinversion by simple doubling or reducing to one bass-note. You can not do this with any other recognition-mode. It is also possible to stop accompainment during drums and bass still are running by simple pressing three notes like "c, cis,d" to produce "no-chord", until you press another chord that will be recognized.
There are some more specials you can found with "Expert"-Mode if you use more than three fingers to use its expert-chord-recognition.
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If you would use Pa600 with Pianist-Mode use "Full Chord Scanning" without split and use your UpperVoices (Upper1,2,3) for keyboard-splitting.

In Menu Styleplay / Keyboard-Ensemble select Top/Bottom Key (Key Range) for Upper3 played as bottom-keys (C-1 ...?? ) and without overlaying select top-keys (???...G9) for Upper2/1. Now keyboard is splitted because of different key-ranges. If done so chordrecognition also use Upper3 if muted or volume is zero.

Now save your "piano"-configurations in performances and use it as BK7-Mode (it is simple to use key-range instead split-function). As chord-recognition use whatever you want, "Expert" or "Fingered-3" is recommended.
PS: Additional try to limit dynamic range Upper3 with Top/Bottom Vel. (Velocity Range) with LowestVelocityValue=50, to be able to change only chords with little velocity.

[musicAle]

thank you...siebenhirter...anyway...i feel that the pianist mode is diferent be couse:
(excuse me my english)
* when I play the first key the chord change (no need 3 notes to recognice the chord).....in addition the comportamient it is different if i press the sustain pedal playing the same note.

I will continue doing tests ... but the behavior is not the same

Thank you very much again

.. I see no difference between the recognition chords of the "expert" and others. .... things I noticed when I first got my PA600. I also have a Roland BK-7m which I use in "Pianist" mode which requires three fingers to change a chord. I'm very happy with my PA600 but this niggle does spoil it a bit for me.

Would be good to implement on the PA600 ..the Pianist mode on found the Bk-7m ... and none of the modes of PA600 works like BK Pianist mode ... should improve this aspect in the next operating system

*
"Expert"-mode is necessary for who uses it with its peculiarities.
With "Expert"-Mode you can play rootless and slasehd chords without to assign "BaßInversion". So you are able to change chords with or without Baßinversion by simple doubling or reducing to one bass-note. You can not do this with any other recognition-mode. It is also possible to stop accompainment during drums and bass still are running by simple pressing three notes like "c, cis,d" to produce "no-chord", until you press another chord that will be recognized.
There are some more specials you can found with "Expert"-Mode if you use more than three fingers to use its expert-chord-recognition.
*
If you would use Pa600 with Pianist-Mode use "Full Chord Scanning" without split and use your UpperVoices (Upper1,2,3) for keyboard-splitting.

In Menu Styleplay / Keyboard-Ensemble select Top/Bottom Key (Key Range) for Upper3 played as bottom-keys (C-1 ...?? ) and without overlaying select top-keys (???...G9) for Upper2/1. Now keyboard is splitted because of different key-ranges. If done so chordrecognition also use Upper3 if muted or volume is zero.

Now save your "piano"-configurations in performances and use it as BK7-Mode (it is simple to use key-range instead split-function). As chord-recognition use whatever you want, "Expert" or "Fingered-3" is recommended.
PS: Additional try to limit dynamic range Upper3 with Top/Bottom Vel. (Velocity Range) with LowestVelocityValue=50, to be able to change only chords with little velocity.

[musicAle]

!!!REQUEST to PA KORG engineers!!!!;..... please put it into a new operative system.. the pianist chord recognition mode (found in BK-7m); none of the current modes of PA600 do the same function (pianist mode works together sustain pedal; and no need 3 notes for the recognition of a chord); it is very important for many people this arrangement......apart from this aspect......PA600 is a powerful machine......Thank You

- I see no difference between the recognition chords of the "expert" and
   others. Even "expert" mode, in mode split just pressing a single note to
change the tone of the accompaniment. This mode should require at
least three keys simultaneously.

I agree about the "Expert" mode, this is one of the first things I noticed when I first got my PA600. I also have a Roland BK-7m which I use in "Pianist" mode which requires three fingers to change a chord.

Because of the way it works on the PA600 I find I have to be very accurate when changing chords to make sure the changes are smooth, this should really be modified in a future update.

I'm very happy with my PA600 but this niggle does spoil it a bit for me.

Keith

Would be good to implement on the PA600 ..the Pianist mode on found the Bk-7m ... and none of the modes of PA600 works like BK Pianist mode ... should improve this aspect in the next operating system

[siebenhirter]

!!!REQUEST to PA KORG engineers!!!!; none of the current modes of PA600 do the same function (pianist mode works together sustain pedal

I think you need no request, if you try to use built-in-functions like "ChordsLatch" (holds the recognized chord until the pedal is released) or "Chord Latch + Damper" (holds the recognized chord until the pedal is released, and sustains the tracks where the Damper has been turned on).

[musicAle]

No it's the same function.........Please... can you try the pianist mode (in any BK).for see the difference......Excuse the insistence....Thank you

!!!REQUEST to PA KORG engineers!!!!; none of the current modes of PA600 do the same function (pianist mode works together sustain pedal

I think you need no request, if you try to use built-in-functions like "ChordsLatch" (holds the recognized chord until the pedal is released) or "Chord Latch + Damper" (holds the recognized chord until the pedal is released, and sustains the tracks where the Damper has been turned on).

[siebenhirter]

No it's the same function.........

I think there is nothing with BK7-arranger you can not do with Pa-Keyboards. BK7 generall uses two chord-recognition-modes, depending if Split is on off (Pianist without split, Intelligent with split). Using Pa-Keyboards in Full-Keyboard-Mode (split off) with Fingered-Recognition is the same you do with BK7-Pianist. Whatever you use (LowerHold, ArrangerHold, Pedal etc) maybe named differently but with equal functions.

It only is important how to set your Pa-Keyboard - you also can split UpperRealtime-Tracks in Full-Keyboard-Mode (with Keyrange) and can enable/disable each track separately for damper-/sustain-function to get Pianist-Mode as you like it or as you like it with BK7.