Trinity SysEx for mode change

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Wed May 22, 2013 9:20 pm

Hello everyone,

Does anyone - by any chance - have a sysex dump of the messages that Trinity sends via MIDI OUT when changing modes to COMBI and to PROG, by any chance? I might be having some problems with my MidiOX application but it doesn't register any data being sent while doing that. On the other hand, it registers messages for changing banks to A, B, M etc.

Any help would be welcome.

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Thu May 23, 2013 8:17 am

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xx : Random ( The value would be 00 for safe )

   (1) MODE DATA DUMP REQUEST                                      R
           [ F0,42,3g,3B,12,F7 ]
         Receives this message, and transmits Func=42 message. 


  (12) MODE CHANGE
           [ F0,42,3g,3B,4E,0m,xx,F7 ]
                 m : Mode = 0:Combination, 1:Combi Edit, 2:Program,
                            3:Prog Edit,   4:Multi,      5:Global
         Receives this message, change a mode and transmits Func=23 message.

 (23) MODE DATA                                                   T
           [ F0,42,3g,3B,42,0m.00,s2,0d,xx,F7 ]
                 m : Mode = 0:Combi, 1:CombEdit, 2:Prog, 3:ProgEdit, 8 Global
                 s :(bit6)= 0: System Clock is Internal
                          = 1:                 Word Clock
                d :(bit0)= 0: Prog Mem is not protected,   =1 : protected
                   (bit1)= 0: Combi                        =1 :
                   (bit2)= 0: Multi                        =1 :
         Receives Func=12 message, and transmits this message & data.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:17 pm

xavier wrote:

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xx : Random ( The value would be 00 for safe )

   (1) MODE DATA DUMP REQUEST                                      R
           [ F0,42,3g,3B,12,F7 ]
         Receives this message, and transmits Func=42 message. 


  (12) MODE CHANGE
           [ F0,42,3g,3B,4E,0m,xx,F7 ]
                 m : Mode = 0:Combination, 1:Combi Edit, 2:Program,
                            3:Prog Edit,   4:Multi,      5:Global
         Receives this message, change a mode and transmits Func=23 message.

 (23) MODE DATA                                                   T
           [ F0,42,3g,3B,42,0m.00,s2,0d,xx,F7 ]
                 m : Mode = 0:Combi, 1:CombEdit, 2:Prog, 3:ProgEdit, 8 Global
                 s :(bit6)= 0: System Clock is Internal
                          = 1:                 Word Clock
                d :(bit0)= 0: Prog Mem is not protected,   =1 : protected
                   (bit1)= 0: Combi                        =1 :
                   (bit2)= 0: Multi                        =1 :
         Receives Func=12 message, and transmits this message & data.

Gotta admit, I'm getting really confused here. So let me try to decypher what I'm trying to do.

I'm using Lemur iPad app to "develop" a bit of a control surface for Trinity. Now, I'd like to introduce a couple of buttons that could switch me between combi-prog-global modes, and - preferrably - to "absolute" locations. For example, from "Combi-A" to "Prog-B" and stuff like that.

What kind of a sysex/cc combination should I send? Because right now, I'm getting nothing after applying these sysex messages in the manual.

Just as a clarification, it's a Trinity V3.

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:40 pm

try "Mode Change"

Also check in global mode that all MIDI filters are OK.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:35 pm

xavier wrote:try "Mode Change"

Also check in global mode that all MIDI filters are OK.

They are. I can change patches within the mode, no problem. But can't jump between modes.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:41 pm

Yeah, for starters, iPad MIDI interface that I have (two of them, damned), don't support sending SysEx, which is really insane. Working on it right now

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Fri May 24, 2013 9:07 pm

xavier wrote:try "Mode Change"

Also check in global mode that all MIDI filters are OK.

Question. If I remember correctly, there aren't "direct" program up and down messages to be used, right? From what I remember from my "MIDI/SysEx sniffing session" some 15 years ago, Korg's synths only send absolute values for the program numbers, like program 30, 120 (in hex, course), not the up and down CC's?

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Mon May 27, 2013 6:23 am

yup, I guess the up/down keys will provide program change message.
It seems logical since there is no "remote mode" of the Trinity, only the resulting state is sent (controller change, parameter change, program change, bank change, mode change, ...)

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Mon May 27, 2013 6:40 am

xavier wrote:yup, I guess the up/down keys will provide program change message.
It seems logical since there is no "remote mode" of the Trinity, only the resulting state is sent (controller change, parameter change, program change, bank change, mode change, ...)

Yeah, that's what I tried, but from what I can gather, it just sends absolute values, not "up" and "down". Nevermind, that's not important. Now I need to find the same data for Triton Rack (mode changes). Do you perhaps have any of those?

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Mon May 27, 2013 8:48 am

I sold my Tritons a long time ago, but you can get the System exclusive documentation at my (unmaintained) sourceforge project

http://alchemist.cvs.sourceforge.net/vi ... /doc/tech/

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Mon May 27, 2013 8:54 am

xavier wrote:I sold my Tritons a long time ago, but you can get the System exclusive documentation at my (unmaintained) sourceforge project

http://alchemist.cvs.sourceforge.net/vi ... /doc/tech/

Hell, yes, thanks

BTW, can Alchemist read/convert SNG data from Trinity V3?

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Mon May 27, 2013 9:40 am