Velocity Curve on Kronos X 73

[MR.K]

For a RH3 Keybed what's the recommended settings for velocity? I'm feeling that my sounds are too dry.

[Saxifraga]

For a RH3 Keybed what's the recommended settings for velocity? I'm feeling that my sounds are too dry.

Information
You can either use the 4 or 5 or 9 setting.
4 gives you the lower end and 5 the louder more brilliant, metallic end of the spectrum.
9 is the official VC for the pianos but did not made it any better than 4 or 5 to my ears and fingers.

Rant?
As I (and others) wrote some months ago: It´s not possible, or at least was not while I posessed a Kronos 73, to use the full velocity spectrum and thus impossible to use all velocity layers of for example the german grand. The samples itself are brilliant but the RH3 keybed (mine; 2 different K73 btw.) was not able to utilize them. Another bug/feature is the global character of the VC. I think the curve should be adjustable for each sound source individually. If you like to play different Sounds with different curves and want to layer them in a MULTI you will get problems. But that can be managed with some parameters. But many parameters are only adjustable in a PROG and thus you have to adjust them in a copy of the PROG to still be able to use the original. Would be nice to have copies of PROGs inside a MULTI like my JP 8000 did.

So using an external keybed like Studiologics 900SL gives much better dynamic range. A real tragedy, this Kronos 73/88 workstation. Sounds so lovely but got diminished because of cutting corners for a more affordable price and the whole RH3 mess.
I still think Korg should make a Synth version of it without Sequencer, and the Piano/Epiano stuff. I find myself sometimes in the shop testing the Kronos 61X, but it costs to much for a machine that has to many features that I don´t need or like, because my Physis Piano already delivers them far better.

Why does Korg not make a hybrid of Kronos 61 and King Korg and thus a real Synthesizer? Would buy that immediately if it was around 1800,-€.

Tip
Just sell the 73/88 version and get the 61X version and a real piano keybed from Fatar/Studiologic.

jm2c

[SanderXpander]

I prefer 9 on my 88.
But what exactly do you mean with "too dry"? Usually the word "dry" is associated with effect amount (e.g. reverb or delay), dry meaning no effect and wet meaning a lot of effect. If you don't think your sounds have enough reverb for instance that's a very different discussion.

[MR.K]

I prefer 9 on my 88.
But what exactly do you mean with "too dry"? Usually the word "dry" is associated with effect amount (e.g. reverb or delay), dry meaning no effect and wet meaning a lot of effect. If you don't think your sounds have enough reverb for instance that's a very different discussion.

Yes on 9 feels much better. Compare to my stock Motif Pianos maybe the word dry means a more reverb as you said, just I feel when I play the German grand it cuts very fast as I was on Motif...... How can I add more reverb to see the difference? What are your setting for your german Piano sound?

[MR.K]

I prefer 9 on my 88.
But what exactly do you mean with "too dry"? Usually the word "dry" is associated with effect amount (e.g. reverb or delay), dry meaning no effect and wet meaning a lot of effect. If you don't think your sounds have enough reverb for instance that's a very different discussion.

Yes on 9 feels much better. Compare to my stock Motif Pianos maybe the word dry means a more reverb as you said, just I feel when I play the German grand it cuts very fast as I was on Motif...... How can I add more reverb to see the difference? What are your setting for your german Piano sound?

[SanderXpander]

I think you may be talking about release instead. Go to the main settings page on the piano program (just hit the big piano picture). On the right hand side there is a parameter called key release. Play with that to see if it is what you mean. To try the reverb thing, first select the "Common" tab on the bottom left, then find the MFX page on the bottom right. Either MFX1 or MFX2 is usually set to reverb, you can dive into the settings from there. Alternatively, on many programs, the realtime control knob 8 or 7 is often set to reverb depth. To try that, make sure you set your control surface to rt/karma with the switches on the left, then try those knobs.

It might be good to save to a new location after you're done, just in case you're afraid of screwing up. Use the utility drop down menu on the top right to select "save", then find an empty location. If you haven't loaded any extra sounds or anything yet, banks U-G and U-AA through U-GG will be empty, about half of those will be available to save to (the rest is for programs based on the HD1 "engine", which is most generic sample based sounds). The position of the real time knobs is not saved in such a situation (that's why they're called real time) so if you want to save with modified reverb you'll have to actually go to the reverb settings.

Hope this is not too overwhelming all at once. After a while you'll find that the underlying system for editing is (mostly) logical and universal, but it can be a bit confusing in the beginning. Good luck!

[MR.K]

ok...thank you

[MR.K]

The release knob does the same function than the release time on the screen that you set the lid position etc? I will try with the reverb to see.

[SanderXpander]

Yeah the real time controls don't get saved. If you put the control surface to "tone adjust" and look on the screen I think there's a "release time" too, and tone adjusts do get saved. So, depending on which you prefer, really.

[MR.K]

Yeah the real time controls don't get saved. If you put the control surface to "tone adjust" and look on the screen I think there's a "release time" too, and tone adjusts do get saved. So, depending on which you prefer, really.

I think that was my problem, I was adjusting on the knob ,saving it and when I turn sounds or power off and on had the problem again.....thanks for the advice......I have a lot to know about Kronos.

[Petro]

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So using an external keybed like Studiologics 900SL gives much better dynamic range.
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Tip
Just sell the 73/88 version and get the 61X version and a real piano keybed from Fatar/Studiologic.

jm2c

Mammma mia, those statements above are the complete opposition to my own experience.
I've just sold my SL-990 for lack of velocity level with Krome-73. Even a falling brick onto Sl-990' keys wuoldn't enough for the Krome' AP&EP sounds. And the same Krome found its happiness with my old Roland RD-100 (Fatar TP-10 inside)
And I am happy with DEFAULT velocity settings on my Kronos X 73.
What's wrong with me?

[Saxifraga]

...
So using an external keybed like Studiologics 900SL gives much better dynamic range.
...
Tip
Just sell the 73/88 version and get the 61X version and a real piano keybed from Fatar/Studiologic.

jm2c

Mammma mia, those statements above are the complete opposition to my own experience.
I've just sold my SL-990 for lack of velocity level with Krome-73. Even a falling brick onto Sl-990' keys wuoldn't enough for the Krome' AP&EP sounds. And the same Krome found its happiness with my old Roland RD-100 (Fatar TP-10 inside)
And I am happy with DEFAULT velocity settings on my Kronos X 73.
What's wrong with me?

Maybe people are more different than I thought or not all Kronos 73 are equal and or both. And the keybed calibration may have been altered since early 2013!? I was not the only one with that problem. If the Kronos does what you expected it to do everything is ok! You are a lucky guy .. synth solo now ..

[Petro]

Well, this topic doesn't sound so well-defined to me... The TS just asked for recommendations, with "too dry" description. This might be subjective as well.
All the other velocity issues have been posted from the people who had their keys repaired after the famous RH3 problem. Or did I miss something?

Anyway, I tried to go throughout all the settings and found the default 4 as comfortable again. Moreover, just to be on the safe side I connected my trusted Roland and got the same result by ear.

BTW - In my Krome I can see velocity level streaking on the main sound page immediately while playing, on each note. Have found nothing like this in my Kronos, it's strange...[/b]

[SanderXpander]

It's just Saxifraga doing his usual rant, you'll find it in 95% of threads where he participates. I suggest ignoring it and trying to engage with the OP.

[pedro5]

I also prefer the 9 velocity setting......I used to like number 3 and 4 when I first played my 73 key version,but currently use the number 9 setting for everything.

Follow the suggestions made by SanderXpander and experiment some more.....saving various settings,then tweak them again.(It can be fun...).

I have many piano variations already and am still tweaking.....