virus and triton stabs in kronos

anticipation · Post by **anticipation** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:51 am

I'm still struggling to get aggressive dance stabs in Kronos but I feel like no hope

I miss my triton while playing some songs /:( is there a way to get stabs like virus or korg tritons
A000 Big sweep stab,
Perky Bleeper,
B000 EuphoricTrancer
C032 The ANAPIZZ
C000 Comp Trance Stab
A032 Perky Bleeper

I feel like I just gave all tht money for piano rhodes and hammonds...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:40 am

Start with the Trance Anthem Pad and adjust the envelopes.

anticipation · Post by **anticipation** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:02 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Start with the Trance Anthem Pad and adjust the envelopes.

thanks for the reply, i will try !

anticipation · Post by **anticipation** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:20 pm

and more ideas ! welcome

Corgy · Post by **Corgy** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:51 pm

anticipation wrote:and more ideas ! welcome

Oh-yesss ...

... did you ever consider to use Mod-7 and apply wave-shaping? I had a lot of fun checking it out for myself some time ago and I was surprised what I could achieve with simple patches.

I don't know whether you are after a very special sound, but with Mod-7 you can create sounds that cut through every mix. An appropriate de-tuned and feed-backed set of operators and/or the right combination of waveform and wave-shaper can be very aggressive and musical at the same time. And think about to modulate the FM-intensity or wave-shaping itself ...

If you want to know more - just ask.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:44 pm

anticipation wrote:I'm still struggling to get aggressive dance stabs in Kronos but I feel like no hope I miss my triton while playing some songs /:( is there a way to get stabs like virus or korg tritons

check the AL-1 engine for this, i programmed all my dance sounds in this engine and they are comparable to the virus ti which i also have.

anticipation · Post by **anticipation** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:30 pm

thanks a lot for the replies

I will try them all !!! I'm new in this forum and Im watching some tutorial videos of you. Excited to try your suggestions as soon as possible !

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:08 pm

anticipation wrote:thanks a lot for the replies
I will try them all !!! I'm new in this forum and Im watching some tutorial videos of you. Excited to try your suggestions as soon as possible !

ah didn't know you were new in the kronos world

well , then definitely check these three videos, they show dance sounds that are created with the AL-1 and the Polysix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kycTXaUZlhw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaRwiPfSeto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0-ZJST5A-k

There's also a free soundset which you can download from my site that contains some dance sounds for the polysix called analog hypnotics.
Here's a demo with the sounds of that soundset:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqYw0aFNzr0

For a simple programming introduction check out the al-1 tutorial on my channel.

Enough examples to get you started i think

anticipation · Post by **anticipation** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:39 am

thanks for the videos but ı have already watched them. The lead one is a good tutorial. but honestly Im really disappointed after working ith my kronos 2 days... amazing pianos, rhodes, hammonds and moving pads but ı can buy nord stage or something else. personally I love nords piano sounds much more than kronos... The only absence is the power of the triton series... ı hope ı can create patches like I wrote in my previous posts...

The sounds in the videos are NOT the sounds that Im looking for

anticipation · Post by **anticipation** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:07 am

This is the ''poor'' triton le with its 48MB PCM ROM :S
https://soundcloud.com/olcay-demirci/tr ... dnight-sun

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:06 am

This is not my genre of music that I work with but I think that you'll find that the Kronos can pretty cover all of the bases that you need. I myself find that it's only limited by. Y own imagination.
I know we all here wish you the best and hope you can find your. Kronos as inspiring as I we all do.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:21 am

anticipation wrote:This is the ''poor'' triton le with its 48MB PCM ROM :S
https://soundcloud.com/olcay-demirci/tr ... dnight-sun

It's not really my style, but you can get these kind of sounds with the polysix and the hd-1. The hd1 is the most easiest for these kind of sounds. Use the filter envelopes and AMS section for some of the sync sounds, for the goa like sounds attach the filter cutoff to the velocity and choose a karma pattern that uses different velocity values. Or attach a random lfo to it.

Corgy · Post by **Corgy** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:57 am

anticipation wrote:This is the ''poor'' triton le with its 48MB PCM ROM :S
https://soundcloud.com/olcay-demirci/tr ... dnight-sun

I wouldn't blame Korg or the Kronos for the presets. IMHO the selection depends on the musical period during release of the instrument and some assessment how to get as much as possible musicians satisfied. Let's call it main-stream like approach, to sell to as much as possible customers.

But the strength of the Kronos is that it provides 1 great sampler (HD-1) and 8! synths (including the instrument simulators). In general, only few sounds should be impossible but not everything found it's way in the presets.

If you can't find the sound you are after in the patches (programs) - you might consider to dirty your hands and do it yourself?

1) There might be some free or commercial patches out there that fit to your needs. have you already visited: http://korgpatches.com/patches/kronos/ ... there are some Triton patches for Kronos

2) The Triton sounds could be sampled and used in HD-1

3) Try one ore a combination of the Kronos synths - you know there are two synth slots for each program. You could combine a crying gritty lead-sound with a smooth analogue pad - and there is unison. Last but not least the "basic sound" can be refined with the huge set of effects.

IMO the dynamic gitty-sounds could be achieved by FM-synthesis, wave-shaping and specially by making use of the modulation concept of the Kronos synths, which is very powerful. Nearly everything can be modulated, crossmodulated etc.

Just to give you an example. There are wave-shaping waveforms in the Kronos that can generate a vowel-like effect, if you send a slightly amplitude modulated waveform through it (saw-tooth works fine). Wave-shaping is not for distortion effecs only!

Many people out there say - the Kronos is limited by our imagination only - and I stronly belief that they are right.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:37 am

I don't hear any sounds in that song that sound particularly special. The sync sounds are easily and better done with AL1 or MS20 and the rest (apart from the drums) sounds like Polysix territory. To be honest, and please don't take this the wrong way, it sounds more like you are impressed with the arrangement/style/mix. It sounds good together (even if it's not really my style either), for sure, but the individual sounds are hardly remarkable. Whether or not the sounds at your disposal are individually "good" or not has little bearing on whether you'll be able to build a good arrangement out of them. The guy who produced this track actually had limited sound potential (e.g. sync sounds are not ideally produced from a sample based engine) but managed to build a good track out of it, and the sounds fit well together.

If you have any knowledge of programming subtractive synthesis, you should be able to recreate and improve on all the sounds in that demo.

anticipation · Post by **anticipation** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:18 pm

Please don't get me wrong... I'm not a big preset fan ! I really love to program my own sounds but I here is the situation is different. Also I'm a graduate level sound engineer (on mixing and recording, sorry no education on advanced synthesis)

1- I have used only workstations until kronos... Yes I here you, kronos is a workstation but with analog modeling etc...
2- The sounds of the Kronos sounds SUPERCLEAN to me. Although I put distortion or other stuff to give it richness and harmonics or eetc... I hear and feel like there is a transparent wall between my ears and the sound... It doesn't hit my face

yes, great advices are coming through !

thanks to everybody...
Actually the reason ı posted that demo song IS for now its the only source that left in my hand from my triton. I have sold it but will get it BACK for this comparison!! You are right its hard to judge or make a decision from that demo...

I suggest everybody a cooperation. I see there are very talented synthesis experts here. Lets make a video that shows how to reach those sounds by comparing those. I will upload both video and both wave files of my triton when I take it back... (or if we can't get , we can see why we can't do it) I guess it will be a good work both see the capabilities of this monster and what expact and what not to expact from those synth engines.

Please stand by

I will upload some videos and sounds that I wrote in my first post...

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