Massive Vs. RADIAS test

[prep]

charles i understand that software is equivalent to a VA synth, but nonetheless, my only point was that I dont like software because its not a real synthesizer, and its contained within bits and bytes of data, its not a physical object. and that means you can't do as much with it, you can't bring it with you in physical form and connect it to a bunch of digital effects processors, you cant wire it through a mixer and a bunch of other hardware synths, you cant connect a kaosillator pro or any other korg device, and you cant put your synth through guitar pedals in software either. The reason i hate vsts, is that they are not physical objects, so you can't just put them inside a synth and say hey i brought NI massive with me, lets go!. And since they arn't physical objects, you cant bring them with you without putting them on a laptop or something, sometimes thats not a problem, but if you wanted to connect NI massive to your analog synth gear and your r3 and have them all wired through digital effects processors and guitar pedals and kaosillators and a mixer, you would most likely have some difficulty.
Sure you could be an a-hole and use a "virtual mixer, virtual kaossilator and virtual monotron and a virtual moogerfooger and a virtual digital effects processor" but, is it going to sound as good for live performance? NO. IT WONT UNLESS YOUR ALBERT EINSTEIN OR SOME BLOKE LIKE THAT.
The real gear can resonate a certain hi-fi quality that can only be created by real objects created by famed synth manufacturers. The day your VSTs can play themselves and have minds of their own tell me, i'd love to see those stupid vsts replace humanity. >:)

its been a long time since ive read something so inherently gaytarded.

[prep]

The moog modular was more accurate than the other crappy attempts arturia did, so i'll give it to you that that is possible.

However, Arturia pays money to the developers of these synthesizers so that they will say that "It sounds just like a jupiter 8!" or "It sounds exactly like the original moog modular" even when it obviously doesn't. They are trying to make money. Do you think that lebron james really drinks vitamin water on a regular basis? Probably not, he just advertises it and says its the drink he drinks to win.
Its not really truth at all, if you were told "Hey say that my crappy vst sounds just like your jupiter 80 in my advertisement/video/ at NAMM 2012 and i'll pay you 1 mil" would you do it? Obviously you would unless your a dumb-***.

I do agree that their analog tuning is better than previous synths(and superior to that of the r3 for that matter) But the thing is, it still sounds extrordinarily digital and fake sounding. Its nothing like the Alesis Andromeda or Access Virus when it comes to producing rich soundscapes. But then again, the alesis andromeda is too high of an expectancy for any synth... so maybe i'm being too harsh on arturia. I'll post the videos of the jupiter 8 so you can see how terrible it sounds compared to a real jupiter 8.

here:
REAL JUPITER 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxnPH5qahY

FAKE JUPITER 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaaPTnlw0OE

access virus is one of the/if not the most sterile sounding vas ever created.rich is definitely not a word i would use to describe its sound. its very clean and digital,its "plugin in a box". i have a ti in my studio,it basically gets used as a midi controller/sketch pad to get the base of whatever im working on down before every track is replaced by another piece of gear or plugin,but thats because i prefer color,character,life over generic in whatever i do but it sits perfectly in mixes with minimal effort which is why its gotten the retard level hype it has over the years.the a6 andromeda is a beast,ive gotten some really zany things out of it but nothing that ever ended up on a finished song. it doesnt really sit well in a mix without a lot of work(something i find with alesis synths in general), but thats just m.o. and plenty of people have done some pretty great stuff with them. lebron probably drinks a lot of grape flavored vitamin water. all of arturias synths sound very much like the originals the attempt to recreate...until you touch any of their filters. garbage. in a proper mix without a bunch of filter sweeps they are very convincing and someone like yourself would definitely not be able to tell the difference. manufacturers do not just say hey give me money and ill say your emulation is spot on,it doesnt work that way with reviews either. the original manufacturers would prefer the emulations to actually sound great as it would more than likely eventually lead to more sales of their own products. just look at what all the model d emulations have done for moogs legend. i have a model d, most people use the plugins for bass, and lust after the original for the same purpose,yet the thing is all over the place in the bottom end with all kinds of phase issues so you end up having to cut and paste the hale out of a bass track to have something useable in a modern song.

[aaardvark]

Really hate that stupid talks about "almighty Virus". Virus sounds god-like and very organic, Virus sits well in the mix, Virus is the best trance machine, Virus dah, Virus bah... And of course - Radias sounds like plastic s**t, like cheap VST, Korg synths are useless. You know, eh?

I've used expensive Ti2 keyboard. Maybe my one was broken, but it sounds WORSE than Radias/R3. Rather close to Radias, thought, but Radias is more bright and juicy.

Virus has very sweet reverb and that's all, maybe THIS makes it "sit well in the mix"?

[synthguy]

I have a feeling that the EDM crowd has a lot to do with the opinions in this thread. EDM/techno/house/ambient/whatever is its own little universe, and you wouldn't use patches made for prog, fusion or rock in an EDM track. They seem to thrive on what I consider often to be rather nasty sounds, and the dance floor eats that squelchy-layered-distorted stuff up all night.

But getting killed TB-303 or Skrillex sounds, that's not what synthesis is to me. I like soundtrack pads and effects. I like prog and fusion leads and synth patches. For this, the Virus and Radias both excel. The Virus is darker and the Radias brighter, but both of them offer their own variations of analogish juice, like Moog and Oberheim. Both of them have a lot of modular flexibility, and you can route controllers like crazy for all kinds of expressiveness. And both have nice on board effects. You can emulate an awful lot of vintage synth textures with both of them.

Massive has its place, but what Virus and Radias offer suits me much more. Plus I don't have a music computer, though if I did, it would be loaded with Arturia's Vintage Synth Collection.