Kronos is a flop!

keymaster · Post by **keymaster** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:15 am

@godparticle you should be the flop! =)

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:03 am

brainparticle (sorry, meant godparticle) wrote:Here's my advice Korg, fire the current developers and engineers and start again, move onward and upward, leave the old guard, it's time to be thinking about the modern era and give us the real-deal.

Oh yeah!! Get rid of that "Kay" character....

Hmmmm... trying to understand and identify any intelligence here

"..played KK in a shop for a while..."
"..hate Korg..."
"...think I'll advise Korg via the Korg Forums...am sure to get support"

My advice:
Don't waste your time with Korg
Delete your membership on the Korg Forums
Go enthuse over your favorite Yamahas/Casios/Rolands or whatever elsewhere
OR... come up with something constructive.

gesucca · Post by **gesucca** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:54 am

countrycreek wrote:can't buy one huh

+1

I can understand all criticism you want about this machine. It has loads of imperfections and stuff to complain is never missing, we all know.

But this is a complete lame post.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:47 pm

I just find it amusing he accuses Korg of doing "the same thing" for years now, yet seems very positive about the Motif.

godparticle · Post by **godparticle** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:26 pm

Obviously you guys have never typed-in 'Oberheim OBX' over at Youtube. Do yourselves a favour and go listen. And if you do, then will you still dare to come back and tell me that the Kronos is Phat? I don't think so.

If the Kronos is everything you say it is, with all those many synth engines and gigabytes of tones, then why isn't everyone buying the Kronos?? And why does Dave Polich (The synth preset designer at Yamaha) say this... "The Motif XF is still outselling the Kronos 2 to 1. Information that the Kronos is the top seller is not true."

If the kronos is truly all it's cracked-up to be, with all those gigatrillions worth of sounds, then anyone would be absolutely mad to go and buy a Motif XF in place of the Kronos, right? So why is the Motif XF outselling the Kronos 2 to 1, still? I think the answer is quite obvious.

The Kronos 'technically' is the ultimate workstation, and yet people walk away from it in the music store to buy a Motif XF which has far less features and sounds, i think the sales stats tell the tale here, don't you?

So what is wrong with stating facts? Maybe, just maybe, Korg need to look further into this and investigate why anyone in their right mind would walk away from the Kronos to buy a Motif XF, which has far fewer features. Ummm, i'll take a guess... it wouldn't have something to do with the sound would it??

Why is it that a one billion megabyte EP in the Kronos does not sound as good as a 20 megabyte EP in the Motif XF? Hey Korg, ever heard of "Quality, not quantity."
Surely Korg tried to reach the moon with the kronos, fair enough, but the sales stats say they failed where it counts most, the sound.

Take some advice Korg, WE NEED PHAT! Realistic, organic, rich authentic tones that sound 'exactly' like their real-life counterpart... phatter than my mom's ass: trying to reach the moon didn't mean that you have to give us 'spacey' sounding tones LOL

Even my 52 year old lady friend had a close listen at my behest to an extensive A/B of the Kronos and Motif XF, i gave no hint about any musical type descriptions and simply asked her for an opinion, a lady who is a music neophyte as far as the technology side of things, and her answer was this... "The Yamaha sounds more 'rich' and pleasing than that Korg synth!"

Press one key on a Motif or an Oberheim OBX, what do we get? Phat as all hell!! But press one key on a Korg synth preset and what do we get more often than not? Wafer thin, that's what.

Please Korg, for your own good, do yourself a favour, please consider carefully what i am saying, the Kronos deserves kudos for it's design intentions, but the simple fact is that you screwed-up, it's all about 'phat' 'realistic' sounds, not tinny plastic stuff.

Thinking that something sounds phat is quite different than if it 'actually' sounds phat, two very different things.

Where are the expansion boards for Kronos with EDM in mind? They are almost non-existent, just more Pianos and EPs and Strings. Wake-up Korg! Have you lost your friggin mind?!

And while i'm here, listen to all those lame skinny claps in the dance-music drumkits, and where are all the phat chunky TR909 hi-hats, and where are the thumping hard-as-fu_k kick-drum samples, i think you missed the boat Korgy boy. If you want to up your sales then respect EDM music and give us the ammunition, otherwise you will continue to come second place, simple as that, and don't say you weren't told.

Actually, if Korg was to bring-out an expansion card for the Kronos for EDM music and which has the goods, lots of phat trance synths, hoovers, big plucks and techno riffs, plus phat chunky drumkits, then i might actually consider buying a Kronos X, but it seems that Korg are not interested in providing such a thing, or they don't know how to do it. Solid EDM drumkits and 'phat' synths Korg! Go back to the drawing board and try again.

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:33 pm

God-Particle, Total Flop.

After year of searching, there just does not seem to be anything there. It all just a puff of hot air.

Researchers nicknamed "Bosons" as in "Boson the Clown"

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:43 pm

According to the Top Sellers list of Thomann, the largest reseller in Europe, your affirmation that the Motif outsells the Kronos 2 to 1 is completely unfounded.

The difference between Dave Polich and Thomann? The latter publish their figures and do not support any particular machine. They show what sells in their catalog, period.

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:47 pm

Anyone who "reviews keyboards and speaks in terms of "when it comes to big beat sound" and still says "phat" is OBVIOUSLY a professional. I own both a motif and a Kronos and I CAN tell you why it "outsells 2-1".

1.) The Kronos is simply too complex for most people. They don't "get it".
2.) The Motif has better programming in its stock sounds, the stock Kronos sounds are a bit hyped and EQ'd bright.
3.) The Motif is a good bit CHEAPER.

By all means, continue to using fruity loops and NI stuff making PHAT BEATZ with your EDM music! Maybe one day you'll get something MASSIVE like deadmau5 LOL

Tool. Or I mean...Troll!

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:50 pm

Dear Mr or Miss Godparticle

This planets scientific community has spent billions upon billions trying to find you.

Hadron Colliders, heavy metals buried under ground, theorists have spent there lives trying to find you..........................

however big your disappointment is with the Kronos, now that you have been finally found, there is no greater disappointment than your sub atomic little posts.

Make music, not enemies.

godparticle · Post by **godparticle** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:52 pm

Jesus made enemies everywhere he went, and he was perfect, right? That's the problem when people speak the truth, they make enemies because human nature has not learn't to accept the truth, we humans have a lot to learn.

Oh really, Francois, very interesting, only problem is that Dave Polich is not known for telling lies and doesn't need to, and anyway, since when does Thomann represent world-wide sales?? fr from it, LOL. Come on man, use your brain.

NuSkoolTone, what are you on man?

Joe Gerardi · Post by **Joe Gerardi** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:54 pm

godparticle:
Who cares about Electronic Dance Music? It's an incredibly small part of the music industry overall, and there's no real market to create a synth just for that niche. Roland did it with the JX305, which died a quick death.

Now, the same thing can be said about Korg because the Kronos doesn't appeal to Baroque musicians. I mean, where's the Viola da Gamba sample or the Angélique in the STR-1 section? And I bet the bastards at Korg never even considered a Oboe da Caccia program...

Or...

You could actually become a synthesist and create the sounds you need. Because the root of EDM was real musicians taking the existing equipment, and learning to do more than just press a preset switch to get the sound they wanted. If that's what you really want then go buy a Lowrey organ, because that's what you're expecting.

One last thing: to you also consider clothes a "flop" because you're forced to dress *yourself* in the morning?

..Joe

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:57 pm

godparticle wrote:Obviously you guys have never typed-in 'Oberheim OBX' over at Youtube. Do yourselves a favour and go listen. And if you do, then will you still dare to come back and tell me that the Kronos is Phat? I don't think so.

If the Kronos is everything you say it is, with all those many synth engines and gigabytes of tones, then why isn't everyone buying the Kronos?? And why does Dave Polich (The synth preset designer at Yamaha) say this... "The Motif XF is still outselling the Kronos 2 to 1. Information that the Kronos is the top seller is not true."

If the kronos is truly all it's cracked-up to be, with all those gigatrillions worth of sounds, then anyone would be absolutely mad to go and buy a Motif XF in place of the Kronos, right? So why is the Motif XF outselling the Kronos 2 to 1, still? I think the answer is quite obvious.

The Kronos 'technically' is the ultimate workstation, and yet people walk away from it in the music store to buy a Motif XF which has far less features and sounds, i think the sales stats tell the tale here, don't you?

So what is wrong with stating facts? Maybe, just maybe, Korg need to look further into this and investigate why anyone in their right mind would walk away from the Kronos to buy a Motif XF, which has far fewer features. Ummm, i'll take a guess... it wouldn't have something to do with the sound would it??

Why is it that a one billion megabyte EP in the Kronos does not sound as good as a 20 megabyte EP in the Motif XF? Hey Korg, ever heard of "Quality, not quantity."
Surely Korg tried to reach the moon with the kronos, fair enough, but the sales stats say they failed where it counts most, the sound.

Take some advice Korg, WE NEED PHAT! Realistic, organic, rich authentic tones that sound 'exactly' like their real-life counterpart... phatter than my mom's ass: trying to reach the moon didn't mean that you have to give us 'spacey' sounding tones LOL

Even my 52 year old lady friend had a close listen at my behest to an extensive A/B of the Kronos and Motif XF, i gave no hint about any musical type descriptions and simply asked her for an opinion, a lady who is a music neophyte as far as the technology side of things, and her answer was this... "The Yamaha sounds more 'rich' and pleasing than that Korg synth!"

Press one key on a Motif or an Oberheim OBX, what do we get? Phat as all hell!! But press one key on a Korg synth preset and what do we get more often than not? Wafer thin, that's what.

Please Korg, for your own good, do yourself a favour, please consider carefully what i am saying, the Kronos deserves kudos for it's design intentions, but the simple fact is that you screwed-up, it's all about 'phat' 'realistic' sounds, not tinny plastic stuff.

Thinking that something sounds phat is quite different than if it 'actually' sounds phat, two very different things.

Where are the expansion boards for Kronos with EDM in mind? They are almost non-existent, just more Pianos and EPs and Strings. Wake-up Korg! Have you lost your friggin mind?!

And while i'm here, listen to all those lame skinny claps in the dance-music drumkits, and where are all the phat chunky TR909 hi-hats, and where are the thumping hard-as-fu_k kick-drum samples, i think you missed the boat Korgy boy. If you want to up your sales then respect EDM music and give us the ammunition, otherwise you will continue to come second place, simple as that, and don't say you weren't told.

Actually, if Korg was to bring-out an expansion card for the Kronos for EDM music and which has the goods, lots of phat trance synths, hoovers, big plucks and techno riffs, plus phat chunky drumkits, then i might actually consider buying a Kronos X, but it seems that Korg are not interested in providing such a thing, or they don't know how to do it. Solid EDM drumkits and 'phat' synths Korg! Go back to the drawing board and try again.

its a conspiracy theory. The more you post here, the more Korg Kool Aid you drink by Internet Osmosis.

the good news, is that you will finally be more attractive

godparticle · Post by **godparticle** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:01 pm

At least the Borg Queen knows what phat is LOL

Joe Gerardi, and what are you on man?

EDM is the biggest genre in the world, all the many different forms it manifests in, and it makes the biggest money, it's all over TV, it's all over the clubs, it's all over the charts, it's right across the world, and the biggest names in the bizz are making it, including hardcore Hip-Hop heads, so start talking facts matey.

phil55 · Post by **phil55** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:07 pm

I wouldn't say the Kronos is a 'flop' but I do think it had some severe growing pains. The minor software issues, the key bed on the 73s and 88s some build quality issues and the annoying cooling fan noise.

There are probably two or three main type of Kronos users/owners.

1. The kind that doesn't mind the fan noise or use them in noisy enviroments like live events and don't notice it.

2. The kind that have given up on the Kronos because they couldn't deal with the minor issues like the fan noise and the OS updates and have sold the beast.

3. People like me, who buy 2nd hand (or new), keep updating the OS and replacing the cooling fan to make it all around a better piece of kit, surpassing Kronos's original specs.

Of course this means you can find some Kronos's going for relatvely cheap. I did. I got my 73 for $1000. After a little maintenance (replacing the fan) and updates, it now works perfectly. With my extra work and soft shell case I'm into a Kronos 73 for $1200.

The Kronos is being used by me mainly as a 'parlour piano instrument' and I use the M3 in the sound room. Even if don't use it for anything but the pianos, at $1200 it's a great keyboard and the other synth sounds and the workstation advantage is just a bonus.

By all means get a Kronos, but it'd be foolish to pay full price imo.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:25 pm

for EDM the Kronos AND Motif series aren't the most obvious choice. I do agree with godparticle that the factory presets are lacking good EDM sounds, but this also applies to the mentioned Motif XS / XF.

But for EDM music, why would you buy a workstation? It's a much better choice to buy the synths that are used in that style, like VSTs as Massive, Predator, etc.. EDM hardware synths range from the cheap Novation basslines till the expensive moog voyager series. These are all synths that are dedicated to creating fat bassline and dirty leadsounds out of the box.

That doesn't mean that workstations like the Kronos or Motif can't do it. Of course they can do those type of sounds, but you need to program them yourself and have some basic till advanced understanding of sounddesign and how hardware and VST effects are used to get the EDM sound that you hear in the scene.

So do yourself a favor and check out synths like:
- NI Massive
- RP Predator
- Virus TI
- Moog Voyager
- Novation Bass station II
- Nord Lead 4

Those are loaded with presets that you will recognise so you get that instant sound you are familiar with