NEW TO THE KRONOS-SEQUENCING HELP

Hiwatt1000 · Post by **Hiwatt1000** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:25 pm

I spent this past weekend scouring the forum via SEARCH, as well as, YouTube, et al., for answering some “workflow” drum/pattern/sequencing question(s) of mine.

See question below;

(1)want to create ‘somewhat realistic’ drum patterns that I can use to build (2) the intro/verse/chorus/bridge/end parts for a song and
(3) save them as a SONG that would still be editable.

-I would save that SONG and it would include the DRUM KIT/KEYBOARD. I would play that back into TASCAM and add additional instruments: vocals, bass, guitar via recorder.

So-basically-using the KRONOS as a big DRUM MACHINE in some aspect and having access to different keys/samples, et al. to layer and build songs/music.

Sounds pretty easy-but I could not find the help I was looking for-and wasted a lotta time horsing around with I’m sure might be pretty easy to sort out.

If there is someone in the Southern California [LA/OC/LB] area I would appreciate some help-where we could meet.
---or---
Unless there’s someone willing to take on-what might be really easy to decipher my question and lend a solution here online or PM.

THANKS IN ADVANCE-

Yuma · Post by **Yuma** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:34 pm

I think what you want is easily doable on the Kronos. Everything you play, can be recorded in the sequencer and saved as a .SNG file.
Question is though: what kind of controller will you use to create the drum track? Do you have an external pad controller for example?

I use the Korg padKONTROL to record my own rhythms.

Or will you use the keys to create your rhythms?

Hiwatt1000 · Post by **Hiwatt1000** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:49 pm

Yuma wrote:I think what you want is easily doable on the Kronos. Everything you play, can be recorded in the sequencer and saved as a .SNG file.
Question is though: what kind of controller will you use to create the drum track? Do you have an external pad controller for example?

I use the Korg padKONTROL to record my own rhythms.

Or will you use the keys to create your rhythms?

-I will use the KEYS to create drum/rhythms, yes.
-the workflow structure confuses me-I'm sure it's easy/doable, but I was trying to build [said] 'drum parts' as 8 bar/rock, tie them together into 'song'...quite easily about as productive as pissing up a rope, kinda fun...

-any help will be appreciated.

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:49 pm

Sound like you just need to use sequencer mode (unless I am missing something)

1. Go into sequence and set up a track as drums.
2. Hit record and play away, overdub, edit etc.
3. Save the sequence (Song) (all midi so still editiable)

4. You can then play this and record the audio output.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:54 pm

I use the drum patterns that are already on the Kronos. The first thing you must do though is to press the Global button and make sure the drum patterns are turned on.it's on the main page on the upper right corner.

Hiwatt1000 · Post by **Hiwatt1000** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:23 am

ed_f wrote:Sound like you just need to use sequencer mode (unless I am missing something)

1. Go into sequence and set up a track as drums.
2. Hit record and play away, overdub, edit etc.
3. Save the sequence (Song) (all midi so still editiable)

4. You can then play this and record the audio output.

OK-

now-question:
1. are 'overdubs' considered 'tracks'? kick/snare trk #1, cymbals/hihat trk #2?
2. can the 'sequences' be tied together to create song?

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:48 am

Hiwatt1000 wrote:
ed_f wrote:Sound like you just need to use sequencer mode (unless I am missing something)

1. Go into sequence and set up a track as drums.
2. Hit record and play away, overdub, edit etc.
3. Save the sequence (Song) (all midi so still editiable)

4. You can then play this and record the audio output.
OK-

now-question:
1. are 'overdubs' considered 'tracks'? kick/snare trk #1, cymbals/hihat trk #2?
2. can the 'sequences' be tied together to create song?

Well, you have different tracks - but I would think for drums you would want to use just one.
So for example you record the kick for 4 beats, go back record the snare over that.
This is all happens on one track. When finished you have your drums.

#2 is not so easy - you can find lots of discussion on this forum about this.
Link sets of patters together a la ableton (what I picture you asking)? No. There are some work arounds. I am sure people will jump in with RPPR, copy and paste, etc.
And those can get you there. But in the end many find it is better to work the "Kronos way" and not jump through so many hoops"

Hiwatt1000 · Post by **Hiwatt1000** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:55 am

-OK-
I'll have to work on #1 to build what would the the drums/pattern for, let's say-THE VERSE of a song, then build the drums/pattern for, let's say the CHORUS-ad nauseam...I will have to figure out that function to build drums on ONE TRACK.

-#2-
-link patterns-that's the next goal. I assume that the KRONOS can do this without investing time & money into another gadget...[???]

now-question:
1. are 'overdubs' considered 'tracks'? kick/snare trk #1, cymbals/hihat trk #2?
2. can the 'sequences' be tied together to create song?[/quote]

Well, you have different tracks - but I would think for drums you would want to use just one.
So for example you record the kick for 4 beats, go back record the snare over that.
This is all happens on one track. When finished you have your drums.

#2 is not so easy - you can find lots of discussion on this forum about this.
Link sets of patters together a la ableton (what I picture you asking)? No. There are some work arounds. I am sure people will jump in with RPPR, copy and paste, etc.
And those can get you there. But in the end many find it is better to work the "Kronos way" and not jump through so many hoops"[/quote]

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:39 pm

It's quite easy to link patterns. From the "part tern edit page", use the drop down menu use copy measure. Make sure you have all the boxes set right or it won't work or you can mess up another song.

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:02 pm

jeremykeys wrote:It's quite easy to link patterns. From the "part tern edit page", use the drop down menu use copy measure. Make sure you have all the boxes set right or it won't work or you can mess up another song.

Hey Jeremy - just for clarity. I agree this is what is needed, but copying something is not "linking" something. There is a conceptual and workflow difference to those. For example, if you change the original your copy is not updated as a true link would be.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:33 pm

I guessing that's to do with how you build your songs. Myself, I prefer to use the drum patterns built into the Kronos. I audition a bunch until I find what I'm looking for, for each section of the song. Generally I have an idea beforehand. Then i just take, say for example, a pattern that will work for a verse, copy it as many times as I need for that verse, then get the one for a chorus. I'll do this until I have the song finished.
I'm not really onto playing the keyboard together drum parts unless it's absolutely necessary. Say, if I have an odd time section.

Hiwatt1000 · Post by **Hiwatt1000** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:45 pm

jeremykeys wrote:I guessing that's to do with how you build your songs. Myself, I prefer to use the drum patterns built into the Kronos. I audition a bunch until I find what I'm looking for, for each section of the song. Generally I have an idea beforehand. Then i just take, say for example, a pattern that will work for a verse, copy it as many times as I need for that verse, then get the one for a chorus. I'll do this until I have the song finished.
I'm not really onto playing the keyboard together drum parts unless it's absolutely necessary. Say, if I have an odd time section.

JEREMYKEYS---yes, I'm exploring that option now. Good call-

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:20 am

The thing I'm trying to figure out now is, how do I get a different snare? Sometimes when I'm putting together various drum parts, the snares and kick are different even though I'm using the same kit.

I do know how to find each particular drum so that I can actually have some consistency but it's truly a pain on the bottom just having to isolate each drum, put it's onto a separate track and then transpose it so I end up having the same drum throughout my song.

I think I'm going to have to have a long hard look at this Karma thingy"

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:36 am

This is where if you don't want to make your own drum kit (kinda tedious), playing with different tracks can bring up a load of options.

Also helps when assigning effects. Try using different track and different programs for kick, snare, hats, etc.

You can also set them to the same channel and utilise key zones and transpose if you want to get it all to be playable from the keyboard at once.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:16 pm

Usually I use the Wild Rock drums but sometimes something else. It depends on the style I'm writing. The thing that bothers me is that if I'm using that sound and say hrdk rock pattern 1, I might want to use pTtern 2 for a different part of the song but it uses a different snare. I then have to find which particular snare was used for the first pattern and futz about to get the same snare for the second pattern. Frustrating and not conducive to music creation.