Korg triton extreme question

pconsta1 · Post by **pconsta1** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:25 pm

I have been playing the Korg Triton Extreme in a rock band and have been using Complete 8 on another little keyoard but I want to primarily use the Korg. So my question is how can I add awesome choir sounds, other instruments and sound effects to the Korg. I am trying to figure out the terminology but there is a lot to learn. So please be kind and help me with the terminology and how I can do this. A few instruments I would be some gothicy sounding sounds like choir, monks, shofar, electric guitar, good synth sounds, different piano sounds etc.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:18 pm

Essentially, you have two choices.

One is to use your current set up (computer as sound module) by eliminating the need for the smaller controller; that way you don't have to move anything out of Komplete 8. You can build a .pcg file with combis that reference EXT(-ernal) sound sources for up to 8 tracks using both program location and midi channels to select sounds. It should not vary too much from what you're doing with your smaller controller. You may need to free up some space in the combi banks, but once you suss out the workflow you should be able to set things up pretty quickly.

Your other choice is to use your Komplete 8 to build a .kmp bank with the sound samples needed to port over sounds directly to the Extreme. I can't address detailed process, but at a minimum you'll have to resample your sounds in Komplete (so you're dealing with Korg compatible samples rather than keeping sounds in the various synth engines) or use the Extremes sampling function in order to get the sounds into the synth engine where they would be used like any other wave form. This will also probably require a number blank programs that can be overwritten with voices using the new samples. The new samples will need to be reloaded each time you power up, but once they are loaded up that'll have the wire free stability that comes from using them internally in the Extreme's hardware. Also, because you're playing a manipulated sample or multi-sample all of the sounds will change somewhat, especially at extreme high or low ranges as sample aliasing can cause problems, especially with sounds that evolve over time or that have active modulation like tremolo or vibrato.

Of the two schemes, I think I'd lean hard towards keeping everything on the PC or Mac and doing everything business as usual. The sole advantage I can see to sampling is that it gives you slightly better reliability and frees you from dragging along a laptop.

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pconsta1 · Post by **pconsta1** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:45 am

Thanks for the reply. I really appreciate the help of other fellow musicians who love music. I tried sampling today and have been doing research and will continue to try to learn everything you mentioned. Rock on!

bmarr · Post by **bmarr** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:59 pm

Hello pconsta1
I am not sure why you would not just set-up the Extreme as the controller in you MIDI environment. You would not need the other controller at all. Assuming your computer is included as part of your onstage gear, you should be able to control Kontakt or any other plug-in through the Extreme. Are you using Ableton, Logic or ProTools on stage?

pconsta1 · Post by **pconsta1** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:07 pm

I am using Cubase. I am trying to get is to work that way right now. I am just having trouble setting the midi in combi mode to where I can only use certain parts of the Korg but it seems like it can't be done on the Korg

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:37 pm

Can you more accurately describe your issues?

You should be able to use up to 8 elements in a combi to control external harware/software -- 8 in a combi where no Korg sounds are played: all sounds played by external module/software.

Where you have one or more of the Triton's voices active as well as those that you want your software to play, you will have fewer than 8. You may have to get creative - a single midi channel (OUT) may still be able to play several voices if a combi (or its software equivalent) is set up to play limited ranges or is velocity layered.

In a no-frills Triton combi any open track should be available to you for external use. However, one issue that you might be running into may be cases where channels or voices are only actually heard when the arps are playing. Some arps require both an active and inactive channel assignment in order to have voices (drum kits for example) not sound as a layer during normal, non-arpeggiated play. The non-active channels would not be available for side use as external MIDI control -- some more complex combis may be "full" even if there appear to be a couple of channels or tracks available for use.

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pconsta1 · Post by **pconsta1** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:44 pm

I am using a combi with 7 different sounds and the 8th one I am using a choir sound from Kontakt. The issue I am having is that I want to use the choir only on one end of the keyboard but when I assign it to only one end in P4 edit it still plays in the same place.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:29 pm

That's probably because Kontact is receiving "global" which generally speaking gets you all keys played. You need to set up Kontact to receive a single midi channel (i.e., 10) and set that track to EXT, and its MIDI Channel to 10 on the Korg. Then Kontact should only receive that single channel's data and that should follow the key ranges you set up on page 4.

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Korg triton extreme question

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