Why does the trinity sound so good?

The Magic Hoof · Post by **The Magic Hoof** » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:12 pm

The Trinity is a synth that sounds unlike any other I've ever tried, giving that 'air' as some have put it. I only have a TR-Rack at the moment so I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get a keyboard version of the Trinity so I can load my own samples into it. I think I'd need one with both the SCSI option and the 8mb flashboard, correct?

I'm not sure if this would be worth it though because I'm still uncertain as to why the Trinity sounds like it does. Is it the FX, the converters, the samples themselves, or what?

It may be kind of redundant to do that considering I've got multiple other hardware and software samplers, but if the Trinity can give me that 'air' with anything I put into it, I think it would be worth it.

jhulk · Post by **jhulk** » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:46 pm

its the dual filters and the way each can be modulated separately

you can add an extra 500 samples with 100 multisounds

its a t1/m1 with filters

its the same filters as the z1

and a plus model gives you a prophecy also which i great

as i have a z1 and a poly prophecy it is not

its great for single cycles as you use the synths filters to create filter fx

i do a lot on the korg t1 and it sounds great with single cycle spectra but no res filter but the trinity it comes into its own

had a triton but though it has bigger sample ram it does not have the synth engine of the trinity or its dual filter

Spacecowboy · Post by **Spacecowboy** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:16 pm

well, to start, editing will be a dream. once you set exclusive, any editing you do on the keyboard will happen automatically on the rack. another plus is polyphony. if you use a really lush complex pad and use the same patch on both units to sustain more notes.

of course theres a decision on that you can decide. is it more effective to have odd/even, or is it better to use a zone. you have to get the volume and patch matched with odd/even, whereas with zone you can decide where you are using the most notes and zone the patch where you see fit anywhere on the keybed. and if you dont need the poly for one patch you can place other sounds where ever you'd like with zone.

another good reason is, having the sequencer on the keyboard.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:55 pm

The Magic Hoof wrote:The Trinity is a synth that sounds unlike any other I've ever tried, giving that 'air' as some have put it. I only have a TR-Rack at the moment so I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get a keyboard version of the Trinity so I can load my own samples into it. I think I'd need one with both the SCSI option and the 8mb flashboard, correct?

I'm not sure if this would be worth it though because I'm still uncertain as to why the Trinity sounds like it does. Is it the FX, the converters, the samples themselves, or what?

It may be kind of redundant to do that considering I've got multiple other hardware and software samplers, but if the Trinity can give me that 'air' with anything I put into it, I think it would be worth it.

I've only ever known the Trinity keyboard, rather than a TR-Rack, but the Trinity is a beaut to program and navigate. The Trinity with the additional 8mb PlayBack Sampler (aka PBS) is definitely one of the best upgrades as it allows you to turn the Trinity into anything you want, rather than be limited to the static waveforms. Most of the commercial Korg PBS soundsets have been released for free since then.

I think the 'air' may come from the 48KHz samples (although I know the Triton also uses 48KHz), but the sound engine is very refined, everything seems like it's EQ'd nicely with space and separation in the mix, I can't put my finger on it. It does appear that people seem less impressed with the Triton's sound engine in comparison to the Trinity's.

The MOSS (Z1) board expands the Trinity a further dimension.

However the PBS and MOSS are like rocking horse poo, very hard to find. Ideally you would need the SCSI or HDR to make the best use of the PBS in order to upload single samples larger than 1.4mb [the size of a floppy disk], although the largest individual sample size you can load even with SCSI/HDR is 2mb.

If you buy the upgrade options separately you'll likely pay a lot as there'll be a lot of competition for them (on ebay) given that they're rare.

Bear in mind the stock Trinity has fewer waveforms than the TR-Rack. The TR-Rack has an extra 8mb waveforms over and above the Trinity keyboard by default (like a fixed PBS board), so be aware of that. The Trinity only has the first 374 multisamples and the first 258 drum samples of the TR-Rack. (It doesn't have multisamples 375 [L2 Stereo Piano] through to 414 [2 White Noise], nor drumsamples 259 [BD-Circle] through to 458 [TV Noise]). However installing the PBS obviously allows you to expand this, although I don't think there is a soundset to mirror the multisamples/drumsamples of the TR-Rack. The TR-Rack took its extra samples from many different PBS sample sets.

bobmusic · Post by **bobmusic** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:05 am

I use a setup with Trinity and Kronos. Trinitys digital output goes to Kronos digital input. That way the Trinity sounds even more airy and crispy and you can also apply some additional effects from Kronos to Trinity, i.e. i like to use a compressor.

They both complement each other very well. Because i use Trinity since it's arrival in 1995 i have a lot of Progs and Combis which i can continue to use. What sounds better on Kronos, and thats a lot of course, i replace step by step.

But there are still sounds, besides the Moss-Board, i didn't find (yet) in Kronos, i.e. some airy ones like Shape Shifter.

fjs714 · Post by **fjs714** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:42 pm

Hi,
By doing what you mentioned, are you badically using the Kronos as a midi controller?
I also have both (Trinity rack and Krons)
Frank

bobmusic · Post by **bobmusic** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:06 pm

fjs714 wrote:are you badically using the Kronos as a midi controller

Not yet, since i use Joystick and Ribbon from the Trinity so far.

But in your case, with Trinity Rack, of course it makes sense to assign the Kronos controllers to Trinity parameters.

For this purpose you have this external switch on the left side of the control surface. For details its worth to have a look at page 435 in the Kronos Parameter Guide.

The Magic Hoof · Post by **The Magic Hoof** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:29 am

What is meant by dual filters? Is it because each oscillator has its own filter? Or is it something else?

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:06 am

The Magic Hoof wrote:The Trinity is a synth that sounds unlike any other I've ever tried, giving that 'air' as some have put it. I only have a TR-Rack at the moment so I'm wondering if it would be worth it to get a keyboard version of the Trinity so I can load my own samples into it. I think I'd need one with both the SCSI option and the 8mb flashboard, correct?

I'm not sure if this would be worth it though because I'm still uncertain as to why the Trinity sounds like it does. Is it the FX, the converters, the samples themselves, or what?

It may be kind of redundant to do that considering I've got multiple other hardware and software samplers, but if the Trinity can give me that 'air' with anything I put into it, I think it would be worth it.

That's easy. Excellent filters, a bit darker, fuller, fatter sound... It's almost difficult to make it sound "small", even with EQ trimming down the bass frequencies. Pads are out of this world good, nothing comes close to it.

It's like a custom, factory-designed machine that's there to make you smile when you come close to it, touch it and/or play it. I bought one in 1995, now I have 2 keyboards (non-V3 and V3) and a rack. When I play live, band members just can't help but feel "happy" and smile when they hear those sounds, you can just see it on their faces

jhulk · Post by **jhulk** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:29 am

it has 2 filters that are 12db that can be all sorts of types

you can run them as serial or parallel

which means many topologies can be created it also means in parallel mode you can modulate them differently so that the mixers sounds can go to both filters one could be a lowpass filter sweep the other could be a bandpass lfo wobble

and they get mixed it means a lot of sound creativity can be done

that on a triton can not be done as they dropped the filters of the trinity yes you can have bigger multisounds but the trinity does not need big multisounds as single cycles are perfect for it as it has a lot more synth options

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:37 pm

I've been using them (OASYS and TR-Rack) in "pair" for awhile now... and can't get enough of that configuration. Can't wait to repair my OASYS so that I can do that again

They just get along perfectly and complement each other, sound-wise.

Epidemik · Post by **Epidemik** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:55 pm

Yeah, it's exactly why I kept the TR-Rack even after owning a loaded Triton Rack... Both synths are extremely popular, but offer so much... The Trinity just brings so much quality(Sometime too much, hehe) to a track... I love them both equally though

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:02 pm

Epidemik wrote:Yeah, it's exactly why I kept the TR-Rack even after owning a loaded Triton Rack... Both synths are extremely popular, but offer so much... The Trinity just brings so much quality(Sometime too much, hehe) to a track... I love them both equally though

Yeah, I have a spare V3 76-key and 61-key regular version

V3 is just insanely good and I don't want to part with it. And the 61-key, I got it so cheaply that it would've been a shame if I missed the chance

But the rack version is handy for gigs. Also, the more I use it, the more I find it to be rather easy to program. It does force me to know my sounds, as well, which is a bonus in my world (as you can't really read which sound you're using in a combi except by bank and number).

I have a loaded Triton rack as well, but I don't use it as much. It's much more similar in sound to OASYS but lacks OASYS's sound quality. So Trinity just compliments it much better

Epidemik · Post by **Epidemik** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:50 pm

My Korg combo: Wavestation A/D - TR Rack - Triton Rack

jhulk · Post by **jhulk** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:54 pm

if you have the pbs tri

im going to be releasing a big single cycle spectra and noise spectra collection

of 500 samples 100 multisamples

i released some for the t series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A43RzNlEXuA

a video of sound examples

i have done a eminent310 all waveforms in single cycle from the draw bars before the chorus unit

and lots of string machines the korgs have very good chorus fx and phasers with good feedback for those swirly jmj type sounds

i have done most string synths and lots of russian string synths

and noise spectra which choirs and pads are easy to create by layering 2 of them

https://soundcloud.com/jhulk

a few doodles of pcm and dsp string synth and wavetables and wavetable scanning synthesis

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