Pitch bend range

wango · Post by **wango** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:27 pm

Hi,

Sorry for the basic question but I'm trying to change the joystick's pitch bend range of the Kronos from 2 semitones to 7 semitones to control a VI in Logic. I thought to find it under global settings or at least in one of the manuals but I don't see it. I'm probably overlooking the obvious.
Can someone pls point me in the right direction?

Best regards
Ab

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:54 pm

I don't think there is a pitch bend setting as such. At least, not in the MIDI/Controllers in Global. However, synths tend to respond to the GM standard these days, so you could send to the Kronos the following CC# messages from your sequencer:

CC#100 = 0
CC#101 = 0
CC#06 = 7

That should give the joystick a maximum range of 7 semitones up or down.

By default, pitch range is usually 2 semitones.

wango · Post by **wango** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:11 am

Thanks Francois, but it's the opposite way I need.
I'm recording a bass track in Logic with "Trillian" and I need Kronos
to transmit a wider range of pitch bend, functioning as a normal
controller keyboard. Any ideas?

Ab

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:21 am

I don't get it. You said:

"change the joystick's pitch bend range of the Kronos from 2 semitones to 7 semitones"

I gave you the CC messages to change the Kronos joystick from 2 to 7 semitones.

So once you have sent these messages from your sequencer to the Kronos, the latter will be calibrated to send 7 semitones with the joystick. Then, you can use the Kronos as a master keyboard to control Trillian by up to 7 semitones when sending pitch bend data from the joystick.

Unless I am missing something, this should do what you're after.

LZ · Post by LZ » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:47 am

The stick will transmit maximum pitch bend range all the time. You need to change how many semitones that corresponds to in the VI, not the Kronos.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:09 am

What LZ said. The controller will always send its maximum range of 16384 steps. The sound module (in this case Trillian) needs to scale that into however big a pitch range you want. So find the bend range in Trillian (bottom right on the main editing page if I recall correctly).

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:53 am

LZ wrote:The stick will transmit maximum pitch bend range all the time.

Page 1126 of the Param guide version E6 gives the RPN used to control pitch bend. The range on the Kronos can be set so the full joystick action will give from 2 to 12 semitones. However, restricting the range on Trillian is also an option I guess.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:01 am

Are you sure that doesn't just apply to Kronos sounds?

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:06 am

Don't know, maybe you're right and it applies only to the Kronos sounds.

There is a simple way to find out, i.e. send the messages I gave to the Kronos, then use the Kronos to control a sound source and see whether the joystick only gives 7 semitones.

LZ · Post by LZ » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:58 pm

That is the bend range of the part inside of the Kronos - the stick is always transmitting full range - the destination, whether the Kronos sound engine or something external is where the bend range RESPONSE to the midi data is specified. That is how all keyboards work.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:55 pm

OK, but if he sets his Kronos using the CC mentioned, Trillian should respond with 7 semitones to the joystick data, no ?

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:56 pm

LZ wrote:That is the bend range of the part inside of the Kronos - the stick is always transmitting full range - the destination, whether the Kronos sound engine or something external is where the bend range RESPONSE to the midi data is specified. That is how all keyboards work.

Yes.

wango · Post by **wango** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:59 pm

LZ wrote:That is the bend range of the part inside of the Kronos - the stick is always transmitting full range - the destination, whether the Kronos sound engine or something external is where the bend range RESPONSE to the midi data is specified. That is how all keyboards work.

That is my understanding as well but since I didn't see the pitch bend
parameters in Trillian (too tired), I tried to change the transmitting range
of the Kronos' joystick, hence my post. Thanks to all for your help.

Ab

burningbusch · Post by **burningbusch** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:49 pm

Bottom right of the main screen. Bend up/down settings.

Busch.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:30 am

OK, to recap:

1) The Kronos joystick always sends the full range of values.

2) The semitone response to pitch bend data is controlled by the sound source or the VST concerned.

3) Selecting the semitone response can be achieved by CC messages, which are :

CC#100 = 0
CC#101 = 0
CC#06 = x with x being a value from 2 to 12

4) Some VST have a dedicated parameter to avoid having to send CC messages from the sequencer or master controller.

For me, only one question remains:

If I program the Kronos internal engine to respond as 12 semitones to maximum pitch bend data, will this response of 12 semitones be the same when the VST receives the MIDI Out data from the Kronos? In other words, the data sent by the Kronos to its MIDI Out port, does it contain only joystick data or the above CC as well?