How to convert Tritin KSF. files to WAV. for loading on PA3X

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:58 am

DANDAN wrote:what I'm trying to do but I transferring a multisample from the Tritin but notice that when you transfer it (yes the Pa3x loads it but it completely separates the multisample). If you have fifteen tritin sounds in one multisample file, the Pa3x transfers it to the sound area of the piano BUT completely separates the sounds and individualized them. I want to keep them as one. That is the reason why I would like to take the KSF. files and change them to WAV. so that I can use AUDACITY to create one single WAV. file which will have all the sounds in ONE file. There...you made me explain it. Now hopefully someone can give me a clear explanation. Much appreciated.

Though your sarcastic attitude , we're here to help all members !

As Sharp explained triton exports multisamples with a folder soundX that contains KSF samples and
and a keymap file called soundX.KMP with all samples properties & keymap.
So soundX.KMP is the file(s) you have to import in multisamples interface of Pa3X (Record/menu/multisamples/Upper
screen drop down menu/import), which is the keymap of the contained KSF files (MS0xxxxx.KSF).

Loading any standalone KSF/AIFF or WAV files you miss the keymap/tuning/volume samples information
of your triton files , also do not confuse wav files with KMP , there is no chance to create a wav file
as a single sample with keymap properties , therefore If you own only soundX folders with samples
(which is obviously your issue) then your files are incomplete and you have to manually import all KSF files and create
new multisamples and keymap for every single samples folder you own from scratch

As last your phrase " completely separates the sounds and individualized them. I want to keep them as one"
suspects me that you're trying to merge samples of a time sliced percussion multisample without initial KMP file ,
which is also impossible to be recreated !!!

DANDAN · Post by **DANDAN** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:09 pm

AnthonySharmman- What happens in forums is that people ask questions and the responses that come back are belittling to the requesters. I work in a professional capacity and even train others. I love to maintain professionalism with my peers. If we are here to help then let's do that and not give a sense of "I know everything and you know nothing" and that's it. As you can see in SHARPS response.
You have my respect Anthony...I will review your response and test that out and let you know. Much appreciated!

BillyHank · Post by **BillyHank** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:32 pm

DanDan,

I felt that I also received the same kind of response you did when I asked about drum maps for this instrument.
Like - why do you want that, who needs it, you can just fumble around and find the one you want and what the? they are all nearly the same!

Well the maps are not all the same and I now know why Korg gets so many bad marks about their drums in this arranger.

I am making the maps myself and I can tell you the drums in this keyboard "can be" fabulous when you can see what is in there in graphical format and boy can you manipulate these sounds each in a thousand ways. And - most importantly, you will find that these maps do not follow the standard GM maps.

The Pa3X is the most powerful arranger keyboard available today for the musician/producer/writer that needs more than to just sit and play what has already been done or provided by the manufacturer.

Regards,

Bill G

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:18 pm

BillyHank wrote:I felt that I also received the same kind of response you did when I asked about drum maps for this instrument.
Like - why do you want that, who needs it, you can just fumble around and find the one you want and what the? they are all nearly the same!

Bill , do not come to easy conclusions , there is a relative graduation of knowledge of everybody that responds to a question !
An amateur or surface stand user might behave like that , but if you ask me for instance as a style developer , then my answer
will be that DrumKit mapping is one of the most significant information for creating your styles , but the most important thing
of all is the good will as motive of users to help each other that you must never forget ...

Also users must always describe their problem , a simple question like DanDan's isn't enough , when a deeper issue is the cause !

BillyHank · Post by **BillyHank** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:25 pm

Antony,

Having been a moderator for over 10 years on the PSRTUTORIAL providing help to "ALL" comers, amateur or expert, I never criticized anyone for asking any question about their keyboard or belittled their reason for wanting the information. For sure I often asked for more specific information regarding their needs as is often required to provide correct help, but foremost, I always made my communications polite, respectful and accurate.

The PSRTUTOTIAL is still the best and most friendly site for any keyboard on the net in my sincere opinion.

Bill G

aragones · Post by **aragones** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:28 pm

Lord BillyHank I agree with you and the best arranger keyboard is the KORG Pa3X.

Hello.
psrtutorial no censorship against anyone that does not put YAMAHA how wonderful it is. And his new T5

¡Salud

foxy · Post by **foxy** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:37 am

I tried not to respond, I realy did, but having just read on the Trinity forum someone callinng out TIMO, possibly the most knowledgeable and helpful members on matters Trinitorial, I come here and find a similar situation.
DANDAN, you've been a member here for two and a half months and already you are bad-mouthing both Sharp, the instigator and principal of this forum but also Antony Sharman (whose knowledge of the PA3X totally exceeds my capability of comprehension) without being here long enough to learn anything about personallities and who knows what.
You asked a question without explaining fully what you wanted to achieve and why.
When suggestions were offered you became what seemed to be arrogant and insulting.
Just remember DANDAN, no-one here OWES you a solution. Every contribution is offered in the spirit of human kindnessand and a desire to be helpful; so it really is counter-productive to come across as a complete a*s*h*l*.

For example; I am of the mechanical generation and have the computer-savvy of a five year old. However, if I can clearly explain what I want to achieve and ask "can you hold my hand and talk me through it step by step" I know Sharp, Antony and Pete (Karmathanever) will all reply to the best of their abillity.
Almost enough of the preaching but just try to remember; never say anything on an internet forum that you wouldn't say to a guest in your own home.

GXG · Post by **GXG** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:19 am

DANDAN wrote:Sharp?? What is this? Bash the guy for asking? What are you in co-hoots with the other guy back there?? Dude...maybe I'll make a video afterwards to explain what I'm trying to do but I transferring a multisample from the Tritin but notice that when you transfer it (yes the Pa3x loads it but it completely separates the multisample). If you have fifteen tritin sounds in one multisample file, the Pa3x transfers it to the sound area of the piano BUT completely separates the sounds and individualized them. I want to keep them as one. That is the reason why I would like to take the KSF. files and change them to WAV. so that I can use AUDACITY to create one single WAV. file which will have all the sounds in ONE file. There...you made me explain it. Now hopefully someone can give me a clear explanation. Much appreciated.

One more time from the beginning... You have the multisample file (KMP), yes or no? If you have it, just load it into Pa3X. After that you go to Sound Record mode, go to the last loaded KMP, and see that each sample of that multisampke can be found in the Samples Menu of the Sampler. You go there, take each sample and export it to Usb. It will automatically turn the ksf into wav. You do that with all the samples, at the end you will have them all as wave files to do what you want. You don't need anything. Have you tried it ? If yes, what's wrong? If not, test it and let us know. We are all trying to help you and yet you behave as a victim.

DANDAN · Post by **DANDAN** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:04 pm

GXG: Much appreciated. I will try that and let you know.
Foxy: I never questioned Antony Sharman's knowledge and if you read through the threads, I don't believe I was bad-mouthing anyone. Bad mouthing is when someone says the I come across as a complete a*s*h*l.
I honestly am not a nasty person and cursing is not even in my dictionary (thank God!). I realize that the help in formus are free but I also believe that if a responder is going to get upset or irritated because of questions then there are two choices, either don't even respond and let someone else or do some internal checking to see if you have the gift of teaching others. I would only like to interact with those willing and lovingly giving themselves to help. That is why I thanked Antony because even though he was maybe annoyed with me, he still was willing to help. Thanks again.

Post by **Sharp** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:21 pm

DANDAN, I'm here to help too. If I wasn't you wouldn't be here. Nobody would because this site wouldn’t exist only for I created it.

You don't listen though and therefore it's not easy to help a person like you.

Nobody even knows at this stage if you even managed to do what you were told, or of you simply went the direction you were hell bent on going regardless of the advice given.

I can't work you out. Your an odd fish.

Sharp.

DANDAN · Post by **DANDAN** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:44 pm

I'm pretty sure they thought Christopher Columbus was an odd fish to. I guess I will take that as a compliment. Cheers.

DANDAN · Post by **DANDAN** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:02 am

GXG: You have given me the results that I have been looking for. I very much appreciate your assistance in this matter. Thank you for the clear explanation. I would also like to take a moment to thank the others who gave their opinions. I didn't want to get into details to avoid confusion and unfortunately I came anyway. The important thing is that I have accomplished what I set out to do. Hopefully I have not offended anyone in any way (definitely not my intentions) and if I have, please accept my heart felt apology. If in the near future I'm able to make a video, I will post the link so that you can have the idea of what I was doing. It is very possible that after that is done, someone may have a better idea on how to do this but right now it is the easiest way for me to do it. Thanks again ALL! Stay Blessed!

KONNECTORAS · Post by **KONNECTORAS** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:51 pm

Sharp wrote: If you are attempting to convert Trinity 2:1 compressed KMP/KSF data, forget about it. Only a Trinity can load that kind of data, and no software exists that can read or convert it.

Regards
Sharp.

By the way, I have just implemented a second hand audio interface with digital inputs, thanks to my partner and I have also made my first digital sampling thru the ADAT digital output of my Trinity Plus.

The next project will be the digital re-sampling of the Trinity PBS-Library, thus translating to standard wav/ksf format.