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The New Electribes
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robosardine
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Focus has been on the new Electribe as a pattern sequencer performance groovebox. Seems like there's a lot of questions even with the manual online. Not sure anyone has the answers, but here's what I'm wondering:
Are the patterns and patches all editable/eraseable? Or are there preset ROM banks and user banks?
As a synth - does that filter knob step? Are they the exact high-res self-oscillating models from the King Korg or are they scaled down?
What's with the paraphonic talk - it looks like a 4-voice that is multitimberal? Each of the 16 parts can be considered a voice - either a PCM drum hit or a 4-voice poly analog modeling voice?
Are all 4 voices going though a single instance of the filter and envelopes, and retriggering like a true paraphonic (Volca Keys style?)
As an effect - can you route audio in through the master effect and use the Electribe as a Kaoss pad? Is the audio input mono or stereo? Does it go through the synth engine as an oscillator would, or is it routed straight to the master bus?
The PCM sounds cover mostly drums - but do they include 808/909 stuff? Similar to the EMX? There's also "keyboard" sounds - is this like the mellotron and organ stuff from the Microkorg? Are those polyphonic or mono or para?
The manual is really short on describing the synth engine, the PCM waves, how things route, what the effects are - I wonder if those are firmware updatable?
Do the pads trigger nicely, do the knobs wobble, are the jacks soldered directly to the main PCB with only a few globs or solder to anchor them? With all the lights going, do the batteries last?
It's roughly 2 weeks until these will be in stores and there's no proper reviews - no one seems to know anything about them other than you can "mute parts" and "build up and break down patterns in a live performace."
I think I just broke the question mark world record.
Are the patterns and patches all editable/eraseable? Or are there preset ROM banks and user banks?
As a synth - does that filter knob step? Are they the exact high-res self-oscillating models from the King Korg or are they scaled down?
What's with the paraphonic talk - it looks like a 4-voice that is multitimberal? Each of the 16 parts can be considered a voice - either a PCM drum hit or a 4-voice poly analog modeling voice?
Are all 4 voices going though a single instance of the filter and envelopes, and retriggering like a true paraphonic (Volca Keys style?)
As an effect - can you route audio in through the master effect and use the Electribe as a Kaoss pad? Is the audio input mono or stereo? Does it go through the synth engine as an oscillator would, or is it routed straight to the master bus?
The PCM sounds cover mostly drums - but do they include 808/909 stuff? Similar to the EMX? There's also "keyboard" sounds - is this like the mellotron and organ stuff from the Microkorg? Are those polyphonic or mono or para?
The manual is really short on describing the synth engine, the PCM waves, how things route, what the effects are - I wonder if those are firmware updatable?
Do the pads trigger nicely, do the knobs wobble, are the jacks soldered directly to the main PCB with only a few globs or solder to anchor them? With all the lights going, do the batteries last?
It's roughly 2 weeks until these will be in stores and there's no proper reviews - no one seems to know anything about them other than you can "mute parts" and "build up and break down patterns in a live performace."
I think I just broke the question mark world record.
Yeah so many unanswered questions..Ted3000 wrote:Focus has been on the new Electribe as a pattern sequencer performance groovebox. Seems like there's a lot of questions even with the manual online. Not sure anyone has the answers, but here's what I'm wondering:
Are the patterns and patches all editable/eraseable? Or are there preset ROM banks and user banks?
As a synth - does that filter knob step? Are they the exact high-res self-oscillating models from the King Korg or are they scaled down?
What's with the paraphonic talk - it looks like a 4-voice that is multitimberal? Each of the 16 parts can be considered a voice - either a PCM drum hit or a 4-voice poly analog modeling voice?
Are all 4 voices going though a single instance of the filter and envelopes, and retriggering like a true paraphonic (Volca Keys style?)
As an effect - can you route audio in through the master effect and use the Electribe as a Kaoss pad? Is the audio input mono or stereo? Does it go through the synth engine as an oscillator would, or is it routed straight to the master bus?
The PCM sounds cover mostly drums - but do they include 808/909 stuff? Similar to the EMX? There's also "keyboard" sounds - is this like the mellotron and organ stuff from the Microkorg? Are those polyphonic or mono or para?
The manual is really short on describing the synth engine, the PCM waves, how things route, what the effects are - I wonder if those are firmware updatable?
Do the pads trigger nicely, do the knobs wobble, are the jacks soldered directly to the main PCB with only a few globs or solder to anchor them? With all the lights going, do the batteries last?
It's roughly 2 weeks until these will be in stores and there's no proper reviews - no one seems to know anything about them other than you can "mute parts" and "build up and break down patterns in a live performace."
I think I just broke the question mark world record.
Well I will be making a few YouTube videos when I get mine. Went and paid it off in full today so just waiting for it to drop now
Korg gear : EMX1SD, Volca Sample, DS-10
iOS: Gadget, iM1, iElectribe, iMs20, iPolysix, iKaossilator
History : Korg E2, Mini KP, Kaossilator Mini, R3
iOS: Gadget, iM1, iElectribe, iMs20, iPolysix, iKaossilator
History : Korg E2, Mini KP, Kaossilator Mini, R3
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grokostimpy
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that video told us nothing about the electribe. I can't believe there's still not a solid vid/review of it. like someone else mentioned previously, guess we need to wait til Sonic State posts something.
does anyone have any idea why they might have dropped it back from 8 to 4 bars? that seems like a cheapo move to me.
does anyone have any idea why they might have dropped it back from 8 to 4 bars? that seems like a cheapo move to me.
A low-calorie video of someone enthusiastically explaining how fun and easy it is to hit backlit pads al fresco.
What we want are details about workflow and synthesis. If they get out in front of the limitations they can spin the limits as creativity-enhancing streamlining.
Right now, people are claiming it's a 24-voice poly (with voice stealing with some complex settings) or a 4-voice-per-part poly that has 16 multitimbral parts, or a 4-oscillator mono per part with a paraphonic mode that retriggers the single envelope. I just want to know what happens when you plug in a controller keyboard and play it like a polysynth.
What we want are details about workflow and synthesis. If they get out in front of the limitations they can spin the limits as creativity-enhancing streamlining.
Right now, people are claiming it's a 24-voice poly (with voice stealing with some complex settings) or a 4-voice-per-part poly that has 16 multitimbral parts, or a 4-oscillator mono per part with a paraphonic mode that retriggers the single envelope. I just want to know what happens when you plug in a controller keyboard and play it like a polysynth.
\only sell if you have no use for the equipment anymore. Anyway this new tribe has 4 bars, not 8. and you can use the esx1 with the new one big time. Also, you're not required to use Ableton at all with the new tribes.britzman wrote:Should I sell my esx1/kpmini due to obselensense or do you guys think they might complement the new tribe?
I don't want to be forced into using ableton. I like to throw on some samples from the net and go to town without the distractions of a screen.
Personally, I think if you own ANY of the electribes, you should hold on to them (including the EA, ER, ES, and EM...maybe especially)
Don't sell that ESX.. You'll regret it! Looks like the workflow on the new one isn't as good as on the original (more direct control on the ESX).britzman wrote:Should I sell my esx1/kpmini due to obselensense or do you guys think they might complement the new tribe?
I don't want to be forced into using ableton. I like to throw on some samples from the net and go to town without the distractions of a screen.
If I understand the few facts correctly, the new tribe will be more a hardware-based pattern generator than a all-in-one workstation (like the ESX/EMX).Hi.
Im new here... new video.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k1sINEyU8s
Im new here... new video.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k1sINEyU8s
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meatballfulton
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Folks should keep an open mind until the rest of the manual set is released and we have access to better demos.
Looking at the new units from the perspective of the EMX/ESX is missing the point in my opinion. These machines have a different feature set and can do things that the older units could not although losing some of the old features.
Hey, finally a real EG that can do slow attacks. Four note paraphony is better than the preset chord voicing on the EMX, 16 tracks that can be allocated however you want rather than the fixed allocations of the older units, insert FX on every track...all very good stuff.
You do NOT need Ableton Live, the initial manual is clear you can export rendered audio in WAV. As a Live user I was a bit disappointed that there appears to be no export over USB, it's sneakernet using the SD card.
That video that said you can export MIDI as well as audio contradicts what's in the manual but it would be great if that's the case.
Looking at the new units from the perspective of the EMX/ESX is missing the point in my opinion. These machines have a different feature set and can do things that the older units could not although losing some of the old features.
Hey, finally a real EG that can do slow attacks. Four note paraphony is better than the preset chord voicing on the EMX, 16 tracks that can be allocated however you want rather than the fixed allocations of the older units, insert FX on every track...all very good stuff.
You do NOT need Ableton Live, the initial manual is clear you can export rendered audio in WAV. As a Live user I was a bit disappointed that there appears to be no export over USB, it's sneakernet using the SD card.
That video that said you can export MIDI as well as audio contradicts what's in the manual but it would be great if that's the case.
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Personally, I think they went with less sample time based on what all other hardware manufacturers realized. Namely that for large sample libraries and detailed editing, nothing beats the computer.
Even the Octatrack which is probably the most comprehensive sample tool in hardware offers fairly limited RAM to actually use at any one time. Something like 85MB total? The Electribe actually beat that and are 1/3rd the cost, not too bad on some fronts.
Even the Octatrack which is probably the most comprehensive sample tool in hardware offers fairly limited RAM to actually use at any one time. Something like 85MB total? The Electribe actually beat that and are 1/3rd the cost, not too bad on some fronts.
I fear that the four bar pattern limit bothers my musical creativity a bit, especially when it comes to melodies and chord progressions. On the other side, Elektron users have the same restriction and some of them still make really good tracks.
Regarding the sampling time, it will also be a question of the implemented sample management. If the number of samples on SD card is only restricted by capacity and the exchange of single samples in a pattern is uncomplicated and fast, I can live with the low sampling time.
@Tarekith: I don't own an Octatrack but if I remember correctly, the Octatrack can also stream huge samples directly from card. In this case, the limited memory is less problematic than in the Electribe Sampler.
Regarding the sampling time, it will also be a question of the implemented sample management. If the number of samples on SD card is only restricted by capacity and the exchange of single samples in a pattern is uncomplicated and fast, I can live with the low sampling time.
@Tarekith: I don't own an Octatrack but if I remember correctly, the Octatrack can also stream huge samples directly from card. In this case, the limited memory is less problematic than in the Electribe Sampler.