The New Electribes

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:10 pm

The product reps said in one of the electribe previews that they wanted to make the electibe more performance oriented. Personally I almost never use song mode on grooveboxes, preferring to perform my patterns to make the song on the fly. So for me at least, lack of song mode is no big deal.

Though from what I've heard about the event recorder, it sounds so much like song mode anyway I'm not sure what the upset is? What does song mode do that event recorder can't?

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:10 pm

US retailer Guitar Center now lists the electribe available starting December 12.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Electr ... 3933581.gc
GC previously listed it for October 20, then moved it forward in daily increments, then settled on November 3. We'll see if this date holds.

Olivander12 · Post by **Olivander12** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:56 pm

Tarekith wrote:
Though from what I've heard about the event recorder, it sounds so much like song mode anyway I'm not sure what the upset is? What does song mode do that event recorder can't?

Event Recorder is, from what we all know, nothing more than an audio recorder. It records your perfomance without the option to edit it. Event Recorder might substitute the possibilty to re-play a song, but for everything else the song mode is superior.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:12 pm

I see, I didn't realize it was recording everything to an audio file, I thought it was recording all the MIDI data. I can see the frustration now.

Buska · Post by **Buska** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:32 pm

Called my supplier today and they said they have delivery confimation from korg on the 24th November.

Also volca sample release date has been pushed back for everywhere except japan.

FreshHorses · Post by **FreshHorses** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:37 pm

usable reverb, drum filtering, velocity sensitive and polyphonic. pretty much my wish list and its all in there! send me mine already.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:39 pm

Olivander12 wrote:
Event Recorder is, from what we all know, nothing more than an audio recorder. It records your perfomance without the option to edit it. Event Recorder might substitute the possibilty to re-play a song, but for everything else the song mode is superior.

Event recorder records MIDI events like mutes, pattern changes, etc. It is not an audio recorder. Live Export is the audio-to-SD system.

Now - the Event Recorder might be more locked down than Song Mode - not sure how much is tweakable on Event Playback. But it's not playing rendered audio.

FROM THE MANUAL:
9. Using the Event Recorder

This is a function to record performances by using several patterns or operating the knob or the trigger pad, etc. in the middle of performance.

This records information, such as operation of the knob or the trigger pad together with the pattern under playback to add sounds or change the tempo, etc. In addition, you may perform with changing patterns.

Olivander12 · Post by **Olivander12** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:47 pm

Ted3000 wrote:…

Does it make any difference? I mean, it is quite the same whether it replays midi, sysex, etc. data or replays prerecorded audio. I want the electribe to play patterns in a certain order which I programed. The Event Recorder is doing things completely different, as it replays something I had to do live. I want my patterns to be chained somehow.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:52 pm

Use the Pattern Set function then? That's exactly what it's for it sounds like.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:28 pm

So, create 16 sequential patterns. Assign them to the pads. Hit the event recorder, and step through the patterns - you can even do mutes and unmutes to add further variety to the patterns. Hit stop, hit save, name your event as your song title. Now you've chained 'em.

The only difference is that instead of chaining patterns blind, you've performed the chaining. You've spent an extra 4 minutes, or however long your Song was.

You mean to tell me on the emx/esx you chained patterns together without ever "performing" them in order to see how they flow together?

I think people are needlessly freaking out that workflow isn't identical to the EMX/ESX. It's not the same machine, it's the next evolution of a line of equipment. Some features remain, some change, some go, some new ones appear.

Every day on some gear comment board, someone is crying Dealbreaker!... because there's no "song mode" or "no tubes" or "don't want a free copy of Ableton Live," or "grey is ugly" or my favorite, "no MIDI." (oh dear!)

For the dealbreaker set - by all means, stick with the EMX/ESX - those boxes are still valid production and live tools, they still have plenty of life left in them, still sound fantastic.

Tom 62 · Post by **Tom 62** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:36 pm

Ted3000 wrote:So, create 16 sequential patterns. Assign them to the pads. Hit the event recorder, and step through the patterns - you can even do mutes and unmutes to add further variety to the patterns. Hit stop, hit save, name your event as your song title. Now you've chained 'em.

Using the EMX/ESX the fun begins AFTER the patterns has been chained. While in song mode, you can do pattern-independent motion sequencing, screwing on knobs, arpeggiating, pattern changing, muting and solo-ing. All on the fly. That all is invaluable stuff in a live situation.

In the new Tribe you can do exactly NOTHING (beside of hitting play or stop) after the event recording has been finished. This is what you call "Evolution"?

The new Tribe seems to be more an hardware-based pattern generator than a workstation. Just my 0,02 €.

JohnnyPunkadelik · Post by **JohnnyPunkadelik** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:50 pm

Ted3000 wrote: "no MIDI." (oh dear!)

you're badly messed up with your brains if you think that NO MIDI isn't a big deal...

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:57 pm

I've been hovering around the web looking at these new tribes since i first heard about them. Done my considerations & weighed up the pros & cons that i can see so far.

My current thinking is that these machines are basically a new product based on an old one & borrowing its name. It looks to me like Korg are nerturing a new generation & the new tribes look to be what the original ones would have been if they had just been issued now. Could the new models be a 'mark 1' in a new series' ? the quesion beckons.

After having argued with myself about why i shouldn't buy one of these i can now conclude that i want one, in fact i'm excited about them & think that with my years of emx1 & esx1 experience, i might just be able to do wonderful things with these little loopers. They look accesable, fun & they appear to sound better than their younger brothers & sisters.
I'm also pleased to see the back of the tubes, they were always a double edged blade to me. They sounded good but at the same time they created the great 'Hiss' debate, haha.

Now, just to sell a few items to make way !

..... It's about what we can do wiv 'em !..... Appetite wetted !

hoolak · Post by **hoolak** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:15 pm

DrHoo wrote: they appear to sound better than their younger brothers & sisters.

Surely they're the older brothers and sisters?

This one is a little babba whose parents are now much wiser

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:34 pm

JohnnyPunkadelik wrote:
you're badly messed up with your brains if you think that NO MIDI isn't a big deal...

It's my favorite gripe -- since the people who are complaining have not even bothered to look at a picture of the back of the unit for more than a half second. Gee, what are those MIDI IN and OUT jacks for, I wonder?