Bolder FREE Library , how do you download it?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:45 pm

No I don't think all forums are a form of customer service. Forums are simply a place where people meet and share experiences. But I guess we simply disagree here. You were too lazy to do a simple search of the PDF manual even after being pointed in the right direction. Which is fine, we all have those days. But in addition phrased your questions in a manner that made it sound as if you are entitled to our time and effort. In addition, most people have had problems with installation, not authorization, which is why Francois wrote as much as he did. I think it's this combination that lead to the discontent on both sides.

I expect/hope that this was an isolated incident for you on here and that things will be better in the future.

keyguy13 · Post by **keyguy13** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:07 pm

Yes we obviously disagree. Forums are generally used to convey information. Why be inaccurate or deliberately withhold useful information? On this we definitely disagree.

Yes, as stated ad nauseum, I was too lazy to read the manual. happy now?

I guess my last post wasn't clear enough or gracious enough.

At no time did i phrase a question in any way that made it appear I was entitled to anything. I didn't demand anything, I simply asked for detailed instructions. I even included a polite please. Nobody had to provide any answers, we all have free will. I asked for assistance. Telling me to read the manual is not assistance in any way, ok? What part of that is hard to understand? Offering the answer is assistance. Not offering the answer is a choice I would have been fine with too. But the condescending "read the manual" is exactly that, a non answer which is of no use.

What I won't do is change my opinion that the information could have been more forthcoming and complete.

I've attempted to apologize but frankly you're making it impossible to actually feel like my sarcasm wasn't warranted.

And now I will just go, because I have zero interest in being a part of this "nice" community.

I'm sure it will be no surprise nor will anyone care as the apathy is completely palpable.

Have fun with the forum. Feel free to delete my posts or not. I'm out.

Bolder · Post by **Bolder** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:08 pm

Well - on a bit of a lighter note - are you folks enjoying the sounds in EXS 109?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:38 pm

Bye, Keyguy. Enjoy the manuals.

Bolder, I have only had a few minutes with it, but I'm looking forward to more time this weekend. I've wanted a nice accordeon for a while!

Bolder · Post by **Bolder** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:25 am

SanderXpander wrote: Bolder, I have only had a few minutes with it, but I'm looking forward to more time this weekend. I've wanted a nice accordeon for a while!

It's a small button accordion, not one of the big Itialian ones - but it is charming none the less.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:53 am

keyguy13 wrote: Telling me to read the manual is not assistance in any way, ok? What part of that is hard to understand? Offering the answer is assistance. Not offering the answer is a choice I would have been fine with too. But the condescending "read the manual" is exactly that, a non answer which is of no use.

Perhaps you missed my first response to you, which was in a different thread. If you did miss it, and instead only saw my brief "as per the instructions" in this thread, I could certainly understand your response! However, I didn't merely tell you to "read the manual." Instead, I wrote:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 472#610472

danatkorg wrote:
keyguy13 wrote:Please provide detailed instructions.

I have installed the file to the internal drive of the kronos. How do i activate this with a key?
Just to be clear, installing the file is more than just copying it; see "Install EXs" in the Disk Mode chapter of the Parameter Guide.

To authorize, follow the instructions under "Authorizing options" in the Global Mode chapter of the Parameter Guide.

To write the above, I checked the manuals and pointed you to the specific sections that contained the instructions you had requested. Since the manuals are searchable PDFs, you can simply copy the text strings above ("Install EXs" and "Authorizing options" - generally, include the enclosing quotes for best results), paste them in your PDF reader, and jump directly to the relevant information.

You also wrote:

keyguy13 wrote: I was just unwilling to read the manual, which I don't own.

The manuals are all available as freely downloadable, searchable and hyper-linked PDFs. Almost all of the contents of the manuals are also in the onboard help system.

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:40 am

Bolder wrote:Well - on a bit of a lighter note - are you folks enjoying the sounds in EXS 109?

Yes!

phattbuzz · Post by **phattbuzz** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:52 pm

Finally got around to downloading to this to try this out, but the Korg website is telling me I don't have any products registered there. Very untrue. Without having a registered Kronos it won't give me the authorization code needed. My time has been pretty tight for the past month with gigging and I had been avoiding trying out new soundsets because I couldn't afford the downtime on my Kronos. Now I have a couple of days to test these products and I am unable to. Major bummer.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:41 pm

phattbuzz wrote:Finally got around to downloading to this to try this out, but the Korg website is telling me I don't have any products registered there. Very untrue. Without having a registered Kronos it won't give me the authorization code needed. My time has been pretty tight for the past month with gigging and I had been avoiding trying out new soundsets because I couldn't afford the downtime on my Kronos. Now I have a couple of days to test these products and I am unable to. Major bummer.

most of these cos with an online presence tend to operate the same way.

When you buy something new ( like a Korg item with a serial #) the owner has to make sure they have a registered online account with Korg ( Korg USA).

Once doing so, or having your account registered, there is some kind of prompt and a large drop down list of Korg products. From there, I selected the Kronos 88 plus I entered the serial #.

The process seems to be painless and it has stayed intact over the years.

it might be a good idea for owners to login to their Korg account to confirm all is ok

amosaic · Post by **amosaic** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:38 pm

i am on a pc and when i click procede to checkout it just recycles to a blank window.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:10 pm

Try a different browser to see what happens.

phattbuzz · Post by **phattbuzz** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:50 pm

GregC wrote:
phattbuzz wrote:Finally got around to downloading to this to try this out, but the Korg website is telling me I don't have any products registered there. Very untrue. Without having a registered Kronos it won't give me the authorization code needed. My time has been pretty tight for the past month with gigging and I had been avoiding trying out new soundsets because I couldn't afford the downtime on my Kronos. Now I have a couple of days to test these products and I am unable to. Major bummer.
most of these cos with an online presence tend to operate the same way.

When you buy something new ( like a Korg item with a serial #) the owner has to make sure they have a registered online account with Korg ( Korg USA).

Once doing so, or having your account registered, there is some kind of prompt and a large drop down list of Korg products. From there, I selected the Kronos 88 plus I entered the serial #.

The process seems to be painless and it has stayed intact over the years.

it might be a good idea for owners to login to their Korg account to confirm all is ok

I ended up filling out all the information for my Kronos all over again (i.e. serial number, where and when it was purchased three years ago) and finally all my information came back and I was able to authorize this set. I think this should be a lot more easier to do. Just a username and password should give them all the information they need.

As far as the set goes, I've just started auditioning it and the quality of the samples are excellent. I've purchased samples from Bolder some time ago before they started working on sets specifically for the Kronos so my expectations were already quite high. They don't disappoint.

Harmonica (5 patches) - very nice blues harp. I refuse to play this with the harp player in my blues band; It will just piss him off. It is monophonic and works well for playing melodies, I switched it to polyphonic and it's not as convincing. You can get some nice blues notes using the -x joystick and some nice tremolo using +y. The riffs are a neat addition but I don't see myself using them in any musical project. Much better than the stock Kronos harmonicas.

Toy Piano (3 patches) - very convincing - I have another Toy Piano sample set I got from Precision Sounds (Red Grand) that I have been using on the Kronos for some time (I don't see it offered on their website anymore). The Precision Sound piano has more of a ringing music box sound to it where as the Bolder piano has a very mechanical attack and a quicker decay. I like both of these toy pianos very much and cannot choose one over the other so they will both have to stay on my keyboard.

Music Box (6 patches) - I do have another set of sampled music boxes and I believe they are from Precision Sound as well. I really can't choose between the two sets - both are very good, but Bolder's giving it to us for free. God Bless Them.

Bavarian Zither (1 patch) - Not much of a zither fan myself, but it's very nice. Includes a bit of vibrato on the aftertouch for you Third Man Theme folks.

Saxinet (1 patch) - never heard of the instrument before. It's a very mellow sax sound. Sounds very cool when you scoop a note with the pitch bend. Two different vibratos - one on aftertouch and one on +Y joystick. The sound will fade out after a time of holding the key down, but I don't expect my horn players to make a note last forever either.

Accordion (4 patches) - nice little button accordion, a nice addition to the ones already included on the Kronos. The foot pedal patch is probably the best way to control it but that does take some technique, Your foot has to think like it's playing the bellows of an accordion. I will work on a version to use with my breath controller.

Melody Maker (4 patches) - Very nice plucked dulcimer.

Psaltry (2 patches) - Very interesting sound, but I can't figure out quite how I'd use it. It's a bowed string instrument that I assumed is used for melodic lines. It's very nasal sounding and has a strange harmonic content to it. I'll have to play with this sound a bit, perhaps add some effects and give it a more electric sound to work in a rock band context. The second patch has a heavier sustain but Karma needs to be turned off.

African Marimba (6 patches) - Sorry these didn't do anything for me. There's a fuzziness to them that is probably very authentic but just kind of turns me off.

Bowed E. Guitar (11 patches) - This is an electric guitar being played with an ebow (an electronic device you hold near the strings of an electric guitar to make them resonate without an attack from plucking). This is generally a very cool sound, however Bolder went for an experimental approach on it and it just doesn't work for me. I guess the sound I was looking for can be done by taking an electric guitar sample and using an envelope to get the sound I want and throwing a bunch of delay and/or reverb on at the end. The patches they present here are interesting but they need to have more control by the person playing the Kronos. Perhaps use the joystick to introduce the effects.

Meditation Bowls and Tibetan Bowls (8 patches) - I do like the sound of these bowls, but I can't find a use for them with what I do. I'm sure they will work very well for ambient music.

The rest is a mixture of some strange samples that may hopefully inspire some of you. My main use of sounds is for classic electric music: Rock, Soul, & Blues, So my main interests are the old school instruments: Pianos, Electric Pianos, Clavinets, Organs & Synthesizers. I'll have to leave these other sounds to someone who is more knowledgeable in that department.

Thank you Bolder for this free set!

Bolder · Post by **Bolder** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:56 am

phattbuzz,

I appreciate you taking the time to post your thoughts on the free Bolder library!

One thing about this set - I feel there is something for everyone but certainly I had no expectations that everyone would like everything. I wanted Kronos owners to simply have a wide selection of sonic material to *play around* with, and have a good time.

About the African Marimbas - you are certainly correct, it's a bit of an acquired taste. Sometimes after hearing this sound for too long it makes my teeth chatter as though I am very cold, even though it may be a hot August in Colorado. The "fuzziness" is created by the resonators. Here is a marimba band playing with these kinds of marimbas -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY5X8jOm7-Q

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The E-Bowed electric guitar samples are definitely intended to be unusual sonic events that unfold over time, very sound FX-ish. Using an E-Bow played with long sustained notes of an electric guitar really gives off a very warm analog vibe. It is something I've been wanting to find time to sample in depth for years now, but have yet to get around to it. Sonnicouture did a very nice job of this in one of their older libraries for Kontakt.

Regarding the "strange sounds", these were all created via granular synthesis (and I in no way take offense to you describing as strange). I've been fascinated with the possibilities of this synthesis technique for the last 20 years and have dabbled in it on and off since then. I believe I might have been the first sound developer to produce a CD ROM (in Akai format) featuring solely granular synthesis. I supplied the original "source samples" in some cases so users could hear the starting point and then listen to the final result. Most people are very surprised that the resultant sound could have possibly been made from the source sound (like the sound of a shovel being hit).

And last - I won't pretend to be a Kronos programming expert (I've had it for just a little over a year). However I do feel confident that I can create very musical material that Kronos users will find very playable and enjoyable. When I'm not getting the results I want, I do not hesitate to ask for help from people like Bill Busch, Ed Fenner, Dan Phillips, Michele Paciulli and Sharp.

And last - If any of you Kronos folks come up with wonderful PCG programming using the sample sources from the free Bolder EXs 109 material - by all means, please share them with each other, that would make me very happy.

Have fun!

keyguy13 · Post by **keyguy13** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:33 pm

Bolder wrote:Well - on a bit of a lighter note - are you folks enjoying the sounds in EXS 109?

I really like the harmonica

It is a very realistic patch. The rest are great too. Thanks for offering them.

I've decided not to leave. I'm finding I am able to answer questions for some people and the feedback is good. So I'll stick around.