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DonM · Post by **DonM** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:19 pm

I cannot find an email address for Korg Italy. I see zero links on their website.
Can someone help?
Thanks,
Don

pippuzzo · Post by **pippuzzo** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:40 am

Hi,

AntonySharmman wrote:It has became bored to explain for third time the figured mode issue , so for last time all of you try to understand ... If not I can't help you more than this !

Antony, with due respect I was not asking an explanation from you, since I can understand your examples and I'm not again questioning about the Fingered 3 utility (already discussed and mandatory for many, not for me). I was asking a clarification from Dikikeys about his method of playing and especially regarding the following two examples not really clear to me, and maybe of interest for anybody else btw:

Dikikeys wrote: 1) Bass 'pops'... Set up a bass finger 'pop' sound to ONLY sound above say 110 velocity (or whatever is comfortable to chord and not sound). Then play a funk tune and drop in the odd 'pop' whenever you feel like it. These things benefit from not sounding ALL the time, making your bassline less repetitive.

2) Whole keyboard bender mode... With practice, you can learn to do chord input AND soloing with the right hand, while your LH rides the bender. This can help out bigtime with guitar playing, particularly stuff that needs a LOT of bender use. Either set up the sound so that there is no sound at low velocities (so they don't hear the chord played) or even a rhythm guitar clean sound that cross-switches into a screaming lead sound. Now just play the chord with your RH, and go straight into the lead, all the time not having to lift your LH from the bender..! It's amazing, if you listen closely to it, that rock guitar, sax solos and many other things (synth solos, for instance) do the MOST effective bends exactly when you need to change chords. They are, in effect, bending ACROSS chord boundaries, which, of course, if you are playing in the traditional 'LH chords - RH solo' you simply cannot do, as you have to release the bender (which will spring back to zero) to play that new chord. This mode allows you to not have to leave the bender..

If a forum it is a place where helping each other then I feel nothing strange asking a musical example to better catch tricks from others. I guess this it is one of the first targets of a forum or said in different words something that makes a forum having a sense.

AntonySharmman wrote:- A skilled arranger user always uses chord memory in order to release his left hand due to use controller like Y/X/Sw 1-3 or Fill/Var.
If the only acceptable "expert" chord recognition mode of Pa900/LE is used then when playing for instance a complex chord like A7-9 ( A-Bd-C#-E )
and release your hand by math accuracy the last released notes will re-trigger scanning mode and result to a totally different chord & Bass
since the last released note (in mS) will be the Bb that will trigger A# unison harmony in expert mode and A#major in fingered mode !!!

You often underline, along with few others have to admit, that you

AntonySharmman wrote:see [from] advanced players perspective

but calling your simple A(addb9) (not a A7-9 because a seventh chord has always the 7th note explicit, in this case a G that's missing here) a "complex chord" it is honestly surprising to me. Also the key position you mention to play this chord (A-Bd-C#-E) is quite comfortable (change the Bb to a close G - G-A-C#-E - and you get a comfortable and easy A7 anybody can play) and you are not able to avoid retriggering false notes? Really suprising from one advanced player: cannot believe you are serious if not having a different of concept of what an "advanced" player is. This means that the Expert chord recognition I'm using since day 1 I bought my Pa3X will be completely unusable. I don't believe so, and frankly speaking never heard so from any others using "Expert". Sorry but I have to completely disagree about this!

I suggest you to discuss any point or question avoiding any kind of overstatement. I saw that also in the Drum&Bass library topic you had to change your mind after some discussions, take it easy ...

Again just my opinion and with great respect for everyone.

Cheers.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:22 pm

pippuzzo
Like it or not A7-9 chord recognition can work only using (A-Bd-C#-E-G) and also another example E13-9 can be recognized
only using (G#-C#-D-E-F) in sequence and sorry but I don't care if you disagree or do not either accept suggestions from you !
I made some examples for all to understand my point of this issue in order to help , as I usually do , so let others decide about this
and be happy with present chord recognition if suits you.
Also I never change my mind in commercial stuff just adjust my products according to customer's tastes & needs which
is a completely different thing if you get my point !
As last if you do not like overstatements then make it first a rule for yourself , contrary I can accept any statement
based in deep knowledge !
I will not comment any further about this and please do not do it either !

Post by **karmathanever** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:54 pm

So…...

…are there any other expectations of the PA4X (original post from Bachus)?
That is, expectations NOT already mentioned in this topic?

If not, I think we should close this off as it is getting quite unnecessarily unpleasant.

Pete

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:58 pm

karmathanever wrote:If not, I think we should close this off as it is getting quite unnecessarily unpleasant.Pete

+1

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:52 pm

Sure, close it off, but does anyone have email address for Korg Italy? Evidently no one has notified them of the fingered mode problem.
Thanks,
DonM

midking · Post by **midking** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:19 pm

Email: korgsoftware@ekmusicgroup.com

I think that you would be satisfied with this email.
Best regards.

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:09 pm

Thank You Mid King!

Unfortunately it didn't work. i will go to Eko site and look there.
DonM

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:23 pm

pippuzzo wrote:Hi,

Dikikeys wrote:The thing about Fingered3 mode is, it allows you to play stuff with your LH as well as merely trigger chords.

... but there's a TON of really cool things you can do with this mode. Here's a few...
Sorry but I'm not sure getting your explanation entirely. Could be interesting you making a short video to see this in action and to get immedialy the musical result. I'm curios about your explanation, so is this possible?

Dikikeys wrote:Yes, for players that have next to no LH skills, Fingered3 mode seems something of a luxury, but for the more advanced player, it can help you do amazing things virtually impossible any other way...
I'm not really confident with your sentence about LH skills and advanced players related to Fingered3. I don't see the point. A friend of mine has both (LH skills and adv. playing) and frankly speaking does not suffer at all about the Fingered mode of his Pa900. Not to mention (again) the monstre video clips from Marco Parisi with 300-600-900-Le, just in case you were still unsure about this. It is not a matter of making a "ability" classification, but mostly what you are musically creating, apart from any technical expertise you may be able to claim. I feel better you saying that Fingered 3 it is another good opportunity to make the music you like, the way you like, isn't it?

Again my 0,01%

Cheers

The whole idea about Fingered3 is, you can play on up to TWO notes without the chord changing AT ALL... Mind you, it is kind of tricky doing two notes, you have to be very vigilant to not accidentally smear over and hit three by mistake, so on the whole, it's safer to stick to single notes. So, all my illustrations are ideas about what you could do with ONE NOTE in the LH (or RH) without it changing the chords...

Obviously, this does not work with any other triggering system that will give you a chord if you play just one note... So, Fingered3 is the only system that allows you to play something OTHER THAN THE CHORD without it changing the chord.

For a rough demo of the idea, have a listen here: https://soundcloud.com/destinkeysuser68 ... -of-keytar and here: https://soundcloud.com/destinkeysuser68 ... bk-7m-demo

Done on a Yamaha KX5 keytar, with one hand in live arranger mode (no overdubs, editing or two handed playing, no Chord Sequencer or SMF) on a BK-7m. Admittedly, it does have Roland's improved Pianist2 mode (three notes for a new chord with sustain up, FIVE notes for a new chord with sustain down) but if you are clean in your fingering, you should be able to do this on a Korg...

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:37 am

BTW, I am aware that Korg's allow you to 'hold' the chord using a footswitch, which can do roughly the same thing (even better, at times), but if you want independent chord hold AND use the sustain pedal, it can lead to some pretty hairy tap-dancing between your feet (and lose you the ability to ride the sound with a swell pedal), so the fingered chord recognition mode still has its uses...

Post by **karmathanever** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:26 am

does anyone have email address for Korg Italy? Evidently no one has notified them of the fingered mode problem

Write to them…. or communicate with your distributor...

http://www.korgpa.com/contacts.html

Cheers

Pete

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:34 am

I've contacted Korg USA and Korg Italy. Either they don't answer email or don't care about a customer's legitimate request.
DonM

Post by **karmathanever** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:11 am

Korg Italy is the only option really - USA would, if anything, pass it on to Italy.

How and when did you contact them? and are you the only one I wonder?

I have always had a response from Korg Italy in the past (in the days of e-mail) and occasionally from this forum.

Pete

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:09 pm

It has been several weeks ago when I emailed Korg USA.
I may still not have the right address for Korg Italy. I used one at EK Music Group. The first one was returned as not a valid address, but I tried another last week and it has not been returned. However I don't know that it was received by them either.
If you have a valid address for Korg Italy I will certainly try again.
Thanks,
DonM

P.S. I just tried again via their on line form, here: http://www.ekomusicgroup.com/viewdoc.asp?co_id=80408
but it did not seem to accept my message. Very frustrating.

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:36 pm

I having contact with Korg via maxl@korgusa.com.
Is not fast, but always response.
correction: Max is no longer employed by Korg USA.
USA contact still at support@korgusa.com