3 more months

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:01 pm

I think I spoke with Max sometime ago when I was having a problem with joystick. He was very nice.
I remember the name because it is also the name of one of my sons.
DonM

Post by **karmathanever** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:42 am

Korg Italy?

WAVEXtractor · Post by **WAVEXtractor** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:50 am

Korg Italy have been notified and it seems they are addressing the issue...

Thoraldus · Post by **Thoraldus** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:59 pm

WAVEXtractor wrote:Korg Italy have been notified and it seems they are addressing the issue...

Yes! New OS released today!

New KORG Pa-Series instruments updated, now with a new Fingered mode, tablet support, and faster boot time

With the release of the newest operating systems from KORG, Pa3XLe, Pa900, Pa600, Pa600QT and Pa300 now feature a new Fingered chord recognition mode, making it possible to recognize a chord only when playing three notes.

Pa900, Pa600 and Pa300 improve compatibility with tablets (already included in Pa3XLe). With this new release, you can use most iOS and Android devices as music sheet readers, perfectly synchronized with the SongBook library of your Pa-Series instruments. With this release, we also got the opportunity to make the boot time shorter.

siebenhirter · Post by **siebenhirter** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:37 pm

Thoraldus wrote:Korg Italy have been notified and it seems they are addressing the issue... Yes! New OS released today!

The criticism of lacking Fingered3-mode of the new Pa-Series may have been successful - thanks to all who have complained about the need for relevant updates and have helped so that a fix will be released.

Hope a discussion about need of Fingered3-mode fortunately not again would be necessary.

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:56 pm

Wonderful news! Seems Korg listens to us after all. Now to download and install.
DonM

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:34 pm

Perhaps (if this update actually addresses the problem) those members that seemed SO determined to point out the correctness of ANY Korg OS decision, and tried to tell us all how difficult it would be for Korg to compile a new OS to address it would reconsider their opinions..?

Adding code to an OS, especially code they already had in the previous OS and had dropped, is NOT the insurmountable obstacle you think it is.

I hope Korg (and any other manufacturers following the issue) in the future think long and hard about DROPPING stuff from an OS in a future model unless something considerably BETTER replaces it!

Now... How about pressuring Korg to add the '3 notes with sustain up, five notes with sustain down' mode that Roland just introduced. It's killer!

DonM · Post by **DonM** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:13 pm

I assure you the problem was corrected! Works great now.
A midi template for communicating with tablets was added also.
In addition the boot time seems to be faster.
Not sure if it was there before, but now Expert fingering mode calls for two notes when using left hand recognition and three notes when using right hand recognition.
Diki, there is a chord lock plus sustain mode already. I think you inquired about that at one time. Problem is you must use the one programmable pedal to access it, and the 900 does not except the FC pedal. No problem on PA3X.
I'm using a Peak midi foot control for some functions, but haven't found the codes for everything I want yet, such as vocal harmony off/on. I'm using it for Break/intro/variation changes.
I do appreciate Korg's issuing these updates. I only wish they had told us they were in progress.
DonM

Chiplet · Post by **Chiplet** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:06 pm

This is very cool, great to see updates without having to shell out £5000 for a new keyboard to get them. Kudos to Korg..

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:51 pm

Good news, Don.

Yes, I knew about the sustain+chord hold mode, but yes, you're right that it's a pain to tie up your control pedal to use it. The BK's Pianist2 mode does a pretty good job of making it all moot, and working two pedals independently (sometimes you DON'T want to have to lift sustain to get the new chord, all you need to do with the Roland is play a full 5 note chord even if the sustain is down) complicates what you have to think about while you are playing.

My goal is always to simply play EXACTLY like I'd play in a live band, and then have an arranger smart enough to figure out from THAT what I really need!

But yes, those better chord hold modes that Korg's have would be very welcome on Roland's. Just for the option...

Perhaps, now you have seen how responsive Korg can be when pressured enough, it's time to ask them if the 'chord hold+sustain' function could be optionally tied to the sustain pedal rather than the control pedal?

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:05 pm

You might also point out to them that the MOTL BK-9 (and the BK-7m module) both have the FC-7 input... Perhaps they'd like to jump on that bandwagon, and make multi-switch technology available to something further down the line than the absolute TOTL?

While they are at it, isn't it about time that something more than five switches is available? The thing I'd REALLY like to see is a compact 13 switch pedal laid out in an octave fashion, that could do footswitch duty most of the time, but COULD double, in a pinch, as a set of bass pedals. Doesn't need velocity sensitivity, could be nothing more than a simple set of 13 on/off switches, but it would be nice to combine the two needs in something fairly inexpensive (compared to dedicated bass pedal units).

Something about the form factor of the Behringer FCB1010, but only dumb switches laid out in an octave, no swell pedals.

Time to move on... those old EC5 and FC-7 pedals have been around for a couple of decades, right? Modern arrangers can do SO much more, there's a real need for more options at your feet, and it wouldn't hurt to give some of us old ex-organ players a cheaper alternative to bass pedals that cost over $1000!

What do you think?

siebenhirter · Post by **siebenhirter** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:08 pm

DonM wrote: I assure you the problem was corrected! Works great now.

It is gratifying that at least the Fingered3 mode is possible and works great now - but it does not seem all of complained problems was correctet!

Still missing: the FILL-MODE and the FILL MODE LOCK ICON as style-controls. This useful features are well known and were existing in all Pa-models since more than 10 years.
I can not believe why these were omitted in the new models - and are again not included in released update!

KORG SHOULD TRY TO HOLD THE LEVEL OF FUNCTIONS THAT ALREADY WHERE PRESENT - SO WITHOUT RE-IMPLEMENTING FILL-MODE-FEATURES
IN NEXT OS-RELEASE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE NEW PRODUCTS STILL ARE A THROWBACK IN DEVELOPMENT OF ARRANGER-STYLEPLAYERS.

Who has been using a new Pa-Keyboard for some days and finds it a great addition to his arsenal - maybe, but without FILL-MODE-FEATURES someone who have skills with older Pa-Keyboards is still missing that.

Also newer keyboards are not dumbed down or lite versions of software, as someone thought before update.

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:35 pm

I guess Korg's response to a complaint is proportional to the number of complaints about a dropped feature.

So far, the only person I see getting bent out of shape over the lost fill modes is you, sieben... Perhaps now that Korg have implemented the Auto-Fill system, few users use those old modes any more?

But the Fingered3 omission certainly impacted a lot more people, to the point that they considered jumping ship and going to a brand that still had it. That will CERTAINLY get Korg's attention!

siebenhirter · Post by **siebenhirter** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:19 pm

Dikikeys wrote: ... So far, the only person I see getting bent out of shape over the lost fill modes is you ..

In that case what you are seeing is not relevant.

Remember the first and only posting about fingered3-mode and fill-mode before Thu Oct 09, 2014:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=92299
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So what do you think about the new PA3XLe?
... comes without fingered3-mode and without selectable Fill-Modes - that seems to be a step backward in development of its styleplayer.

Korg SHOULD TRY TO HOLD THE LEVEL OF FUNCTIONS THAT ALREADY WHERE PRESENT - since more then 10 years and even in small MicroArranger and Pa500.

kind regards
- siebenhirter, austria -
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I am not interesting to discuss with you about what "most peoples" or "99% of users" or "only one person" thinks or "few users" use, because that are your phrases you use in each posting without relations to reality.

Let it be again - as Anthony Sharmann meant "Why don't you guys use a Skype account to avoid wasting of writing time and "ink" ?" and Pete (karmathanever) has confirmed with "This has become mostly an argument between two members. May I politely suggest you take this off-line - maybe with PMs. This has become mostly an argument between two members. May I politely suggest you take this off-line - maybe with PMs. I'm locking this topic now."

Fact and still missing: the FILL-MODE - love it or leave it - and i am not interesting in PMs. Better use your arguments to get keyboards with functions as we had before new Line of Pa300/600/900 undepending if you personally need that features or not!

If you do not like that features do not be jealous if someone is endeavour to get that lost quality of functionality again, as that is easy - be silent and do not work wantonly against other authorized interests.

Hope to get no answer about that from you - if you do not know what Fill-Mode and Fill-Mode-Lock means, use any manual of older Pa-Keyboards or ask someone using that features with an older keyboard. Be happy with features of BK-9 but do not disturb that forum.

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:40 am

I consider myself told off!

Shame you can't figure out how to do it politely.